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This is a discussion on Powders for .30 Carbine Blackhawk within the Reloading forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; I've been using Hodgdon's H110 exclusively for my .30 Carbine Blackhawk and rifles (M1 Carbine). It's a great powder and there's plenty of data on ...


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Old March 5th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #1
 
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Powders for .30 Carbine Blackhawk

I've been using Hodgdon's H110 exclusively for my .30 Carbine Blackhawk and rifles (M1 Carbine). It's a great powder and there's plenty of data on its application with the .30 Carbine for both the rifle and Blackhawk.

I'd like to try something else in addition. Something not made by Hodgdon? What about Accurate Arms #9? Is there data for these powders for my application?



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There are not very many powders listed, looking through 3 reloading manuals and a visit to Western Powder's load data site only turned up :
Accurate No.9
Ramshot Enforcer
2400
IMR 4227
H110 (of course)
Win 296
Unique
SR 4756
IMR 4198

I would look at Accurate No. 9 , there is data for it on their load data site, not a whole lot but there doesn't seem to be much data anywhere. Good luck.
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I do know that Unique will not operate in the M-1 Carbine, I believe it is too fast, I prefer IMR4227, WW296, and H110, and one other I can't think of at this time.
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I like 2400 in a 30 Carbine myself
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I do know that Unique will not operate in the M-1 Carbine, I believe it is too fast, I prefer IMR4227, WW296, and H110, and one other I can't think of at this time.
Thats what I run in my blackhawk, and m1 carbine, 296, or 110.
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I've discovered this link:
Cast in the .30 Carbine Pistol

It includes everything from AA#9 to TiteGroup to Lil' Gun to Red Dot to Unique. Now the article is strictly speaking of cast bullet loads. But I'm currently focused on this puppy: 115 gr. Linotype, gas checked (courtesy of Montana Bullet Works).
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What about AA 4100? Is the a "new" powder?

I've gone with the maxim that anything that's good for the .357 Mag. is good for the .30 Carbine.

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It also depends on what grain bullet you prefer.
A lighter bullet prefers a faster burning and a heavier bullet likes a slower burning powder.
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There's a huge difference if you plan to shoot your 30 Carb ammo in an actual 30 Carbine or a Ruger Blackhawk. The Blackhawk doesn't care about gas pressure so any powder that will work in a 357 Mag will also work in a 30 Carb .... finding data for those powders may be a different story.

If you want your 30 Carb ammo to work in a real 30 Carbine .... you need a slow burning powder such as H-110, W-296, Lil'Gun, or IMR 4227 .... otherwise there won't be enough pressure left to operate the gas piston.

Some reloading manuals have data specifically for a Carbine and some also have data for a Blackhawk. Carbine data will work in a Blackhawk but not the reverse.
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There are not very many powders listed, looking through 3 reloading manuals and a visit to Western Powder's load data site only turned up :
Accurate No.9
Ramshot Enforcer
2400
IMR 4227
H110 (of course)
Win 296
Unique
SR 4756
IMR 4198...
SR 4756 has been out of production for a few years, now. But one may be able to find some in some far corner of a LGS. I still have a bit left, from my days of experimenting with top-velocity .45 ACP loads.
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Iowegan,

Maybe AA-4100 would be experimental ... for the Blackhawk.

AA#9 seems like the best bet. But how would AA#9 be for the rifle/carbine? The Blackhawk can eat anything.
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I agree with those that use WW296. Top velocity , very accurate, measures extremely well. All I use in my M1 carbines.
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jski, The problem with AA-4100 is finding data for a 30 Carb. This is NOT something to guess about. 30 Carbs are rated for a chamber pressure of 46.5k psi so don't say a Blackhawk will eat anything. AA4100 burns faster than W-296/H-110 so it could indeed blow up the gun with a heavy powder charge.

I used to be adventurous and try things that were not listed in reloading manuals. Guess I was lucky because I still have fingers, eyes, and other essential body parts and never blew up a gun. Now I rely on data from reputable reloading manuals and find I can emulate factory loads quite easily and safely. Life is good .... better if you have all your body parts.

My tried and true 30 Carb load is 15gr of W-296 with a 110gr Speer bullets. Accurate, powerful, and very LOUD.
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This is from Western Powders (a.k.a., Accurate Arms):
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AA4100

4100 A new fine-grained, double-based Spherical propellant developed for use with .410 bore shotshells. AA4100 is actually very close to AA 9 powder. This powder actually delivers similar velocities at LOWER chamber pressures.
Therefore the published AA9 loads will always be safe, and can be used AS IS with AA4100. This is especially true of the large "Magnum" handgun calibers such as the 44RemMag, 454Casull etc. This is an excellent powder for High performance Magnum revolver loads

AA No. 9

No. 9 Our slowest handgun propellant, No. 9 is the best .44 magnum powder available. This double base, Spherical propellant gives excellent velocities for the pressures generated, and with less flash than comparable powders. It is intended for use in large capacity handgun cartridges (357, 41, 44 magnum, and 454 Casull). No. 9 is also suited to some small rifle cases (25/20, .30 Carbine) and the .410 shotgun. No. 9 performs best with heavier bullets in most cartridges. A heavy bullet pull is required for consistent performance when using lighter bullets.
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Looked up Western Powders reloading data sheet. For the .357 Mag., using the same bullet, same weight, AA#9 gave better performance than AA4100. Using slightly less powder.

Looks like I'd be better off with AA#9.
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