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Old July 18th, 2010, 05:32 AM   #1
 
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Alliant 2400, recipes

Hello all,
I could use some instruction,
I've been reloading 45 lc and using Unique, 45 LC, 250 grain FP .452 Lead Bullet,
I have some Alliant 2400 but am unsure what recipes to use for it.
I'm shooting
Ruger Redhawk 45 lc, 4 in
Ruger New Model Blackhawk, 45lc/45acp convertible 4 5/8

thanks, any info is appreciated




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joebob,
Your manual(s) -- you should have at least two of them -- will have them. Never rely on someone's stated load, unless it can be verified by a published reloading manual. Do otherwise, and you become a danger to yourself and others.
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joebob,

If you follow the normal loading manuals such as Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and others with regards the .45 Colt and 2400, all you'll get is filthy under powered loads. 2400 is one of those powders that does not work well until you get to it's sweet spot. And it's sweet spot in the .45 Colt is above SAAMI specs.

Elmer Keith used 2400 to develop his heavy loads in the .45 Colt, .44 Special, .44 Mag and .357 Mag. 41 Mag too I think. But you will not find Elmer's loads in any normal loading manual because they do exceed SAAMI specs. So if you want a good load, you have to look elsewhere. Sixguns By Keith, Hell I Was There by Keith his load notes from the gun magazines; this is where you'll find that data. And of course Hodgdons #26 loading manual. That's long out of print, but you can still find copies if you look.

Elmer used 18.5grs of 2400 with his 255-260gr SWC in the beginning. This was his light load put up in balloon head cases and shot from Colt SAAs. When the Ruger Blackhawk was introduced in .45 Colt he upped the load to 20 grs with solid head cases using the same bullet. This is a very good load for strong guns like the Ruger BH and RH.
I shoot the 18.5gr load from my OM BH in solid head cases with a Winchester WLP primer and his SWC. It is an excellent, accurate, clean load that I should have tried years ago.

Buy all the loading manuals and books you want, ( you really should ) but also buy the books by Keith, Linebaugh, and Taffin. Those guys are worth the read.

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The problem with hot loading the 45 Colt is the Ruger revolver's are rugged enough to take the pressure but the cases aren't as strong as a 44 Mag. Therefore pressures need to be kept about half way between the standard 45 colt loads and 44 mag max loads for ruger only 45 LC loads. The Speer manual lists Ruger & TC only loads:

260 gr JHP 16.0-18.0 gr of 2400 with a LPP

300 gr SP 15.8-17.5 gr of 2400 with a LPP
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Out of curiosity, I perused my Lyman 48th, Hornady 6th, Lee 2nd, Sierra 5th and Speer 9th eds ... all have data for 45 Colt for Ruger Blackhawk (and T/C's ) only ... Hornady listed the hottest 2400 load, maxing at 20.8 grs for a 250gr jacketed bullet! ... Sierra had 20.3 grs 2400 for a 240gr jacketed slug ... the other 3 manuals didn't list any loads over 19.3 grs for 2400 powder, regardless of bullet weight. These loads ain't for pussies ...JL
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The different manuals call for different components: bullets and primers and have done testing in different pressure equipment to establish pressure limits and probably have different lawyers as well. The differences always puzzled me as well as I have seen max loads in one manual below starting loads in another with both manuals current but again different components. I have found the Sierra manual to have stronger loads particularily for mag type loads. Work your way up for the components listed.
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The different manuals call for different components: bullets and primers and have done testing in different pressure equipment to establish pressure limits and probably have different lawyers as well. The differences always puzzled me as well as I have seen max loads in one manual below starting loads in another with both manuals current but again different components. I have found the Sierra manual to have stronger loads particularily for mag type loads. Work your way up for the components listed.
How true on all counts ... I was just surprised to see Hornady hang'em out there, as it were ... I agree, the Sierra book is the most performance orientated of the bunch ... most of the time ...rgds, JL
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The problem with hot loading the 45 Colt is the Ruger revolver's are rugged enough to take the pressure but the cases aren't as strong as a 44 Mag. Therefore pressures need to be kept about half way between the standard 45 colt loads and 44 mag max loads for ruger only 45 LC loads. The Speer manual lists Ruger & TC only loads:

260 gr JHP 16.0-18.0 gr of 2400 with a LPP

300 gr SP 15.8-17.5 gr of 2400 with a LPP
.45colt cases are every bit as strong as .44mag. Dick Casull and Linebaugh have pretty much killed that old myth. These cases are routinely loaded up into the 50,000psi range (higher for proof loads) in freedom arms revolvers and custom 5 shot rugers.

If you take two identical revolvers, except for caliber, the .44 mag will have slightly thicker chamber walls than the .45 colt. This is why you have to load the .45colt to lower pressure than the .44mag. 32,000cup is considered max for the blackhawks by the guys who load 'em hot. I rarely shoot loads at that level anymore. Once I realized that a 250-300 grain lead bullet at a little over 1,000fps would kill anything I hunt (including elk) I moderated my loads a bit. Practice is more fun, powder cunsumption is less, and my revolver will last that much longer.

For everyday use, try some Universal or Unique. 8-9 grains gives you a saami pressure load that is fun to shoot and really will just about handle anything you want to do with a pistol.
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.45colt cases are every bit as strong as .44mag. Dick Casull and Linebaugh have pretty much killed that old myth. These cases are routinely loaded up into the 50,000psi range (higher for proof loads) in freedom arms revolvers and custom 5 shot rugers.

If you take two identical revolvers, except for caliber, the .44 mag will have slightly thicker chamber walls than the .45 colt. This is why you have to load the .45colt to lower pressure than the .44mag. 32,000cup is considered max for the blackhawks by the guys who load 'em hot. I rarely shoot loads at that level anymore. Once I realized that a 250-300 grain lead bullet at a little over 1,000fps would kill anything I hunt (including elk) I moderated my loads a bit. Practice is more fun, powder cunsumption is less, and my revolver will last that much longer.

For everyday use, try some Universal or Unique. 8-9 grains gives you a saami pressure load that is fun to shoot and really will just about handle anything you want to do with a pistol.
That old fable just won't quit will it? B.Roberts, you beat me to the answer.
Here is a link to John Linebaugh's article "Dissolving The Myth". A very good read concerning the .45 Colt cases.
Linebaugh's Custom Sixguns - The .45 Colt - Dissolving the Myth, Discovering the Legend

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Hello all,
I could use some instruction,
I've been reloading 45 lc and using Unique, 45 LC, 250 grain FP .452 Lead Bullet,
I have some Alliant 2400 but am unsure what recipes to use for it.

thanks, any info is appreciated
Joebob........from your OP, I'm assuming you are new to reloading. If this is the case, than the advice given to you from A Patriot rings true. Safe reloading is not only dependent on the strength and weaknesses of the components and firearms involved, but also those of the person doing the reloading. Reloading recipes and techniques can be confusing for someone just starting out, so relying on published information and keeping things simple is a must. For a newb, taking suggestions of reloading above and beyond SAAMI specs from outdated, unpublished and/or unverified sources is asking for trouble. Once you become familiar with reloading, have perfected your techniques and learn how your particular firearm responds to different types of loads, you can experiment with "pushing the envelope"......but for now, I suggest you take A Patriot's advice and follow published load manuals, begin at listed start recipes and work your way up to accuracy slowly and safely. Most manuals list a "accuracy" load and the majority of the time, it is well before max.

Elmer Kieth is an icon and did a lot for our sport. He also blew up a lot of guns. Most of us that reload are not Elmer Kieths, nor are we pioneers of the industry working with major gun manufacturers designing the newest magnum cartridge. Most of us only desire affordable, accurate and safe ammo. That is why we use published manuals. Elmer did things by the seat of his pants cause he did not have the testing equipment and the technology that we have today. Odds are, if he was here today, he would give you the same advice that A Patriot did.
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If anybody can get a hold of a reloading manual from the '60 or early 70's and look at the 454 Casual loads, you'll find that they are in 45 Colt cases. The did some really weird and scary duplex and triplex loads (a couple of grains of Bullseye, a few more of Unique and then a bunch of a slower powder) to get the pressure and velocity up. The problem with 45 Colt cases is that the chamber size tends to be all over the place, I "neck size" my cases, although I have split the necks (after a couple dozen reloads) the main body of the case has never split even with some really hot loads.
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Starline says that they test their .45 Colt cases to the same pressures that they do their .44 Magnum cases, so the case strength is there.

2400 is great powder, very versatile. It's the only one I use for magnum-level rounds. You'll like it.

BTW, I see you're using lead bullets. How hard is that alloy? Have you run a bullet or two through a hardness tester of any sort? This will also help determine your optimal powder charge.
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joebob,

If you follow the normal loading manuals such as Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and others with regards the .45 Colt and 2400, all you'll get is filthy under powered loads. 2400 is one of those powders that does not work well until you get to it's sweet spot. And it's sweet spot in the .45 Colt is above SAAMI specs.

Elmer Keith used 2400 to develop his heavy loads in the .45 Colt, .44 Special, .44 Mag and .357 Mag. 41 Mag too I think. But you will not find Elmer's loads in any normal loading manual because they do exceed SAAMI specs. So if you want a good load, you have to look elsewhere. Sixguns By Keith, Hell I Was There by Keith his load notes from the gun magazines; this is where you'll find that data. And of course Hodgdons #26 loading manual. That's long out of print, but you can still find copies if you look.

Elmer used 18.5grs of 2400 with his 255-260gr SWC in the beginning. This was his light load put up in balloon head cases and shot from Colt SAAs. When the Ruger Blackhawk was introduced in .45 Colt he upped the load to 20 grs with solid head cases using the same bullet. This is a very good load for strong guns like the Ruger BH and RH.
I shoot the 18.5gr load from my OM BH in solid head cases with a Winchester WLP primer and his SWC. It is an excellent, accurate, clean load that I should have tried years ago.

Buy all the loading manuals and books you want, ( you really should ) but also buy the books by Keith, Linebaugh, and Taffin. Those guys are worth the read.
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What is the title of the book John Linebaugh wrote?

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Elmer Keith,

I'm not sure of any book Linebaugh has written. He has written many articles however. That's why I linked to the one I did.

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