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Old February 26th, 2017, 05:55 PM   #1
 
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Advice for a newbie re manuals

I am a new 1911 junkie who realizes that in order to keep shooting 45 acp at the rate I would like I need to start reloading. Have been following Commo’s threads about leading issues in his 1911 and realize that this is a complicated undertaking. So I need to buy one or two reloading manuals from the many candidates out there. Which reloading manuals would the veteran re-loaders out there recommend?

Thanks in advance for the help.



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Buy the manual that is the same brand as your bullets. Speer, Hornady, Sierra, or Nosler are all good.
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Lyman makes a good cast bullet manual if you intend to feed your 45 lead.
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For new reloaders trying a new caliber, I suggest using a tried and true load. And as Iowegan mentioned, it's a good idea to use the manual published by the bullet manufacturer. If you choose Hornady bullets get a Hornady manual. Nosler bullets, nosler manual. If you have a "generic" bullet, lead or FMJ a Lyman 49th or 50th Edition will be a good choice.

For the 45 ACP, I'd start with a 230 FMJ and a fast powder (Bullseye, W231, or even Unique). These components have very successfully been used for bizallions of rounds and every problem has been worked out and reported on. Find a load in your reloading manual(s) before you buy components. After you get the hang of the "classic" loads 45 ACP (load data, chambering, etc., and it won't take long), then try lead bullets, lighter bullets and even plated bullets with different powders...

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For new reloaders trying a new caliber, I suggest using a tried and true load. And as Iowegan mentioned, it's a good idea to use the manual published by the bullet manufacturer. If you choose Hornady bullets get a Hornady manual. Nosler bullets, nosler manual. If you have a "generic" bullet, lead pr FMJ a Lyman 49th or 50th Edition will be a good choice.

For the 45 ACP, I'd start with a 230 FMJ and a fast powder (Bullseye, W231, or even Unique). These components have very successfully been used for bizallions of rounds and every problem has been worked out and reported on. Find a load in your reloading manual(s) before you buy components. After you get the hang of the "classic" loads 45 ACP (load data, chambering, etc., and it won't take long), then try lead bullets, lighter bullets and even plated bullets with different powders...


Well said.

Leading isn't really an issue for me..........I shoot light target loads and at the end of a shooting session I will run a couple of rounds of hard ball through it.

Seems to help.



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Some people make reloading difficult. It's not all that complicated , I've being doing it since 1967 and I'm very simple minded.
If you are buying bullets pick up the manufacture's manual, Hornady, Speer etc.
Cast bullets, Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook. Lyman also makes one that covers both cast and jacketed , not a bad one to own along with 3 more.
Four manuals will give you a decent amount of info. I learned with a Hornady , Speer and Lyman cast Manual. Important , I read and re-read all the information in these three,
If you stick with the instructions given in them you can avoid a lot of pitfalls.
Just about all of my handgun and a lot of rifle loading was with cast bullets with the instructions right out of the Lyman Manual...I've never experienced any leading some people claim to get. The right alloy, size and speed along with proper lube will take care of most problems. A lot of internet advice is way off the mark....Lyman never steered me wrong.
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I'll reiterate what Lowegan and others have said and add Lee's manual as a beginner's resource. Also Hodgdon and Alliant powder companies have good information both online and in print.
A word of caution don't use online "advice" from other than the manufacturers especially since you are new to the hobby, I still don't ,
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Great advice from everyone. Welcome to the forum from NC
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Ditto all of the above. Welcome!
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My 1911 shoots its preferred 200gr JHP loads into groups half the size of any 230gr load. Cheap FMJ 230gr ball ammo prints patterns @ 25yds, not groups. I bought Oregon Trail Lazer-Cast 200gr Bevel Based SWC bullets and used info from an old Lyman manual to develop a load using AA#5. I ended up with an easy shooting, good functioning target load that prints to the same POI as the factory defense loads I carry out to 25yds. Both leading and smoke are minimal. All the above recommendations about only using data from manuals and powder and bullet manufacturers is valid. Be safe and have fun.
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Wow, thanks so much for all the great advice. Order for some appropriate manuals is on the way.

Going to start with a basic 230 grn jacketed round nose, then migrate to a coated round nose. Commos problems with leading has me spooked about lead rounds, but want to try some SWCs eventually.
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I prefer the Hornady manual and bullets. I supplement with Lyman and Sierra manuals along with Lee, Hodgdon and Alliant load data.
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Wow, thanks so much for all the great advice. Order for some appropriate manuals is on the way.

Going to start with a basic 230 grn jacketed round nose, then migrate to a coated round nose. Commos problems with leading has me spooked about lead rounds, but want to try some SWCs eventually.
You could also try Berry's, Xtreme or Rainier's plated bullets.
Much cheaper that FMJ & if you just punching paper, they will serve you well.

I am very fond of Berry's 200 grain target hollow point bullets for accuracy.
I have tried Eggleston's coated bullets & they worked well & their bullets have the added option of being made in 2 or 3 different diameters.

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Ron there is a ton of great advice here, I have used Speer Reloading Manual but I am sure all the ones mentioned are very good as well. You mention about I guessing fear of reloading lead bullets?? If so you can always use a brass plated bullets for your target and plinking loads. Like Berry's Bullets or Rainier etc. but I would think that if you used a good hard cast lead bullet and load to spec's that's listed in a reloading manual you should be fine. Good luck to you!!!
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gqucool, You brought up one of the poor procedures that many people are unaware of .... using hard cast bullets. Many companies sell "hard cast" bullets which means the bullets are BHN 20~22 .... way to hard to obturate in normal loads. The optimum bullet hardness will match chamber pressure and will obturate (bump up in diameter) and maintain a good seal in the bore without fouling. For the OP's 45 ACPs, a bullet hardness of BHN 12 best for light loads and BHN 15 is best for full power loads.

Just a caution about reloading manuals ..... the best reloading data sources come from bullet manufacturers. That's because they actually pressure test their loads using their own bullets seated to their specifications. When you go shopping for loads in several different manuals, no doubt you will come up with different load data for the same bullet weights. Why? Again. bullet companies test their own bullets so if you use company X data with company Y bullets, you could come up with a potentially damaging combination because chamber pressure will elevate as bullets are seated deeper than recommended by their manufacture.

I own 4 different reloading manuals .... Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Nosler. All are excellent providing you use their own proprietary bullets. That means when I buy jacketed bullets, I make sure they are one of the above brands.

When I use lead bullet for low velocity target loads, pressure is not as critical as when full power jacketed bullets are used so "generic" load data is safe but may not yield the desired velocity.
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