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Old February 25th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #1
 
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wow, almost blew up my nm blackhawk 45 colt

well maybe not, but close. i was given an unopened pound of lil gun and didn't really know what to do with it. i found out it could be used with 45 colt rugers & tc contenders, so..... i use a missouri bullet 255 gr. elmer k bullet but could only find data for jacketed bullets of 250 gr. & 260 gr. the 250 starting load was 23.5 gr. of lil gun and the 260 load was 19.0. i used 22.0 gr. as a starting point with my 255 gr. lead bullets along with a lp fiocchi std primer. holy smoke, this was the stiffest load i've ever encountered in this 4.6" bbl blackhawk to date. it rolled so much it almost came full circle.

one round didn't fire. the primer went but i got a hollow thunk. the bullet lodged in the forcing cone far enough not to bind the cylinder. i emptied the remaining rounds from the gun and removed the cylinder. a big chunk of powder filled the chamber of the misfire so it answered the question of me missing the case with powder, no i didn't. it had burned from the primer cause it crumbled to ash when i tried to touch it. bad primer? i don't know.

anyone want to comment? was this starting load too excessive for the 255 gr. lead bullet? i knew i'd be on the hot side when i loaded these but maybe i over did it. should i use mag primers? anything i read said std was fine.

maybe i should finish the rest of the ammo in my contender? i'm tempted to bring the chronograph out next time with the blackhawk. the data said the two listed loads should be close to 1,300 fps out of a 6 1/2" bbl. curious to know what they're doing out of the 4.6".



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greencobra, What you experienced was a "squib". It was caused by one of two things .... either you did not use a magnum primer or your powder charge was too light. Either condition can result in a squib, which is quite typical for slow burning powders. Like most other slow burning magnum powders, Lil'Gun does not play well with reduced loads and is compounded by cold temperatures.
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Hmmm... I'd either do more research on whether there are good loads for Lil' Gun with your particular bullet, or I'd get some bullets you have a published load for.
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Less powder is not always the best way for less pressure. Many powders need certain pressure to function properly. In fact some will spike if too low a load is used. Thats where it gets wormy when you stray from established components on a recipe.

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GONRA suggests using this "unopened pound of lil gun" for something else.
Maybe its OK, but Not For YOUR Personal Applications.....
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When I look at published load data for a possible handload, I try to get the info on ALL of the components used and any chamber pressure measurements. Most published loads will only use powders that are most suited for the cartridge.

For large pistol primers, I most often use Winchester, as their LP primers are stated as suitable for standard AND magnum loads.
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GONRA suggests using this "unopened pound of lil gun" for something else.
Maybe its OK, but Not For YOUR Personal Applications.....
Why would you say that? Lil Gun works just fine in a 44 mag with the right load
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I don't think you came close to blowing up your gun. While you choose a pretty hot load, it would seem to be in the printed realm from Hodgdon reloading data. When I can't find reloading data for a certain bullet, I usually go to the more heavy bullet and use that data, especially if you are using lead or cast bullets as they usually produce less pressure than jacketed or even plated bullets. What I do wonder is how much experience you have loading Ruger Blackhawk only loads, as they are very powerful. One load I used when I had a Ruger BH 45 Colt was 26gr of 296 behind 250g cast SWC which kicked more than a similar SBH 44 mag load (the Ruger SBH is a heavier gun becasue of the steel body; the regular BH has an aluminum body). I guess what I am saying is, if you are going to load your Ruger 45 Colt ammo to max loadings, expect a big boom and lots of recoil. To be honest I later started wondering why I was loading my 45 Colt so high, when a 44 mag was a better gun for max loads. While still loading some hot ammo 45 Colt ammo, I eventually gave up on the max loads and really never missed them.

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i look back in retrospect onespeedbiker, you may be right. and i admit i may have over reacted on my original post. but yes, i do have experience loading for ruger and contenters only. i use to try and work up loads to shoot ihmsa back in the day with a 45 colt, but 7 1/2" nm bh, not the 4.5" as well as a 10" contender (.45 colt only bbl, not .45/410) but man, i'm telling you, these were scary stout loads.

i inspected the cases after eash cylinder full...primers looked ok, no cratering and they weren't flattened. what i did see was a weird bulge maybe a 1/4" up from the rim of the case. never seen this before. i'll try to grab a photo, the cases are still in the tumbler at the moment. having never used this powder before, lil gun, and read warnings about using it in pistol loads, i went ahead anyway cause i was finding loads for the larger pistol calibers...45 colt, 44 mag and the like.

when all was said and done, this load was pretty accurate off hand at 7 yds out of the short barrel. i was set up to bench it at 25 yards but i had that squib that lodged a bullet in the barrel and no dowel, so...end of that. another story, evidence suggests i didn't miss the case when filling with powder.

i've been reloading for over 40 years, just sayin', not braggin', and i'm a cautious reloader using say, powder i'm not familiar with. these were loaded on a single stage, hand primed, and powder dropped/bullet seated one at a time. weighed powder charge every 5th case.

gun seems none the worse for wear, going back with the chrono next week. curious i am but jeez, i got one hell of a flinch now.
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Lil'Gun, some experience at least, tends to go along just fine, then with just a 0.2 grain increment change in powder, have pressures that are not only excessive, but dangerously so!

I think it was made for 410 shotguns.

This and TiteGroup make me a little nervous with the spike that can happen.
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I think it was made for 410 shotguns.
i believe this is true
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...I think it was made for 410 shotguns...
Yeah... Why else would they call it "Lil' Gun"?

There are quite a few powders that were originally developed for one application, but eventually find great success in another.
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