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Old February 16th, 2017, 10:05 PM   #1
 
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New to reloading

Hey ya. I'm new to reloading and just set up a single stage reloader to do 38 spc / 357.

So first question.
Blackhawk 6.5" barrel
I'm using 38spc federal cases, 2grs of Trail Boss. 148gr cast .357 WC from Meister. Federal cases and CCI primers.

I'm ready to load now but does anyone have any tips for bullet depth and crimping. I test crimped one and used the first groove past the lube grove.
Here's a pic of the WC

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Old February 17th, 2017, 03:31 AM   #2
 
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Get a Reloading Manual.
I have a number Lyman reloading manuals over the years. (I have some old powders)

Check Powder (& bullet) manufacturer's specifications & USE THEIR INFORMATION!!!
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I'd check your manuals too. A lot of times the manuals don't have specific information on all the bullets though, which makes it a bit confusing.
Hogdon has info on line for a hollow base wadcutter, but not your particular bullet. I'd like to say you'd be ok loading to the base of that bullet and backing off a bit. I use Trailboss for that very reason. I consider it a "safe" powder. You could always call Hogdon too just to be safe.
You can't go wrong sticking with the info and materials used in the manual though.
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Get a Reloading Manual.
I have a number Lyman reloading manuals over the years. (I have some old powders)

Check Powder (& bullet) manufacturer's specifications & USE THEIR INFORMATION!!!
Thanks for the info.
I am using 4 reloading manuals as reference.
I am using a specific load listed and cross checked in another manual.
I am using the exact gr bullet matched to the starting load data for it with that powder.

But, Nowhere is a COL for 148gr hard cast and I'm looking for any tips on using a soft or hard crimp....

Thanks for your feedback
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Seat that bullet to the first groove below the nose and use a light roll crimp (very light). I don't use Trail Boss but I have fired hundreds of DEWC/BNWC with W231 in my .38 Specials. Also, bullet should be sized to the same diameter as the cylinder throats. (my 38s have .358" cylinder throats and .357" groove diameter so I size my bullets to .358".).

For bullets with a crimp groove (cast bullets) or a cannalure (jacketed), seat them to the groove/cannalure and disregard book OAL. My first 20 years of revolver reloading I seated all bullets that way. Stay within book loads and there will be no problems...

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Seat that bullet to the first groove below the nose and use a light roll crimp (very light). I don't use Trail Boss but I have fired hundreds of DEWC/BNWC with W231 in my .38 Specials. Also, bullet should be sized to the same diameter as the cylinder throats. (my 38s have .358" cylinder throats and .357" groove diameter so I size my bullets to .358".).

For bullets with a crimp groove (cast bullets) or a cannalure (jacketed), seat them to the groove/cannalure and disregard book OAL. My first 20 years of revolver reloading I seated all bullets that way. Stay within book loads and there will be no problems...

Go slow, double check everything, and most important, have fun...
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I would say OAL of 1.460 with that style of bullet with a very light crimp, I used Unique powder, as well as Bullseye, however with Bullseye be very careful with the powder measure you use as Bullseye is a very fast burning powder. If you are just starting out I'd start with Unique. Definitely go with the starting powder charge in .38.

Now for the .357 OAL of 1.510 again with a light crimp and starting load using the powder of your choice.
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I'm using 38spc federal cases, 2grs of Trail Boss. 148gr cast .357 WC from Meister. Federal cases and CCI primers.
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I'm not sure if 2 grains of Trail Boss will make it to the target.

Good advise from the other's.

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If you can get some Bullseye powder , seating that wadcutter bullet in the topmost groove over any charge of Bullseye from 2.6 to 3.0 grains ( my 38's like 2.7 ) will give you the classic 38 special target load , time tested and approved.
I wonder why they only filled one groove with lubricant ? I fill all 3 of mine .
I don't think you will find Trailboss the best powder for target loads but give it a go and see how it works .
Unique powder is better for standard velocity loads , I tried to use it in target loads for years, Bullseye is more accurate. 4.0 grains of Unique was the lightest charge that would burn consistently , that's not a bad load just a bit heavier than the light Bullseye loads.
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Some guys like to seat just below the case mouth (this is how all factory wadcutter ammo is that I have ever seen), some seat at the crimp groove, and some seat as you did into the unused lube groove (as they want more bullet in the cylinder's throats) and they want to load hotter (don't do this with a HBWC).
From there, you work up the load (or work down the load).
COL is under the reloader's control, but most manuals load just below the case mouth for a COL of 1.165 or so.
With TrailBoss, do not compress the load.
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Great info everyone.

Ill let you know the results

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bullet depth for .38

My Hornady reloading manual does not mention proper seating depth. There is of course a maximum cartridge length measurement that you cannot exceed. With my Lee dies there is a simple pamphlet with a grid that you can lay the cartridge on to compare to, and so long as your a millimeter shorter than the maximum length you know the bullet is seated deep enough. Honestly I have never loaded a bullet with more than one crimp cannelure as I load jacketed bullet and XTP hollow points only. I am also fairly new to reloading like yourself. A 38 may not require a crimp according to some, and I am certain you can get by with a light one. Were I you I would load just deep enough to be less than the maximum length and make sure the top edge of the cartridge rests on lead and not in the middle of a groove. Seat too deep and you may compress the powder load...which is bad. So stay 'close' to maximum length. Also as always...and I am sure this has already been said several times...follow the loads in the manual and start off with the light ones and work up from there.

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Seat that bullet to the first groove below the nose and use a light roll crimp (very light). I don't use Trail Boss but I have fired hundreds of DEWC/BNWC with W231 in my .38 Specials. Also, bullet should be sized to the same diameter as the cylinder throats. (my 38s have .358" cylinder throats and .357" groove diameter so I size my bullets to .358".).

For bullets with a crimp groove (cast bullets) or a cannalure (jacketed), seat them to the groove/cannalure and disregard book OAL. My first 20 years of revolver reloading I seated all bullets that way. Stay within book loads and there will be no problems...

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I don't use Trail Boss so I will not comment on the load. That seems like a very light load?

Based on the OP's components, especially the bullet pictured, I think he'll be fine by seating to the crimp groove and staying within published loads.
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Carolus64, Your Hornady manual DOES mention proper seating depth .... it's called "Cartridge Overall Length" or C.O.L. and is listed in each chart for each specific bullet.

The OP's lead wad cutter was designed to be seated where the case mouth is centered and crimped in the top groove.
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