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Old February 15th, 2017, 10:38 AM   #1
 
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.44mag lever rifle/sbh common load.

Howdy folks. I've got a .44mag SBH 7-1/2" and I am planning to acquire a .44mag lever action rifle. Probably a Rossi or older Marlin as funds aren't super plentiful.

Is it safe to assume that both can handle the same loads? Or will a load listed for one not be safe in the other? I've seen a few recipes listed under "rifle" and "pistol" sections of my Hodgdon manual. The loads look the same with exception for higher velocity and fewer listings in the "rifle" section. But I don't have any other manuals to look at. I'd think that any load listed in a manual would meet SAAMI specs for the cartridge. But does loading that same round in a rifle change that pressure? I think not, but not sure.

I hope to try my hand at hunting deer with this pair so more power is better (within reason)

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I'd have to check my manuals to say for sure, but a SBH ought to hand any published load for 44 magnum. I do recall several years back, when my only rifle/pistol combination was a S&W model 66 and a Marlin 1894 (both .357 of course), there were separate loads listed for rifle only. I only remember because I still have some ammo loaded that is labeled "rifle only". But a 66 is not as stout as a Blackhawk either. I don't have but one or two newer manuals, must of mine are from the 90's. I am seeing a difference in listed loads between them.

I have a RBH and a Henry BBS in .41 magnum, and they share the same load, so far anyway. The Henry is fairly new to me and I haven't experimented with it much as of yet.
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Thanks. I was wanting a single action and lever combo that would shoot the same strong hunting round. So naturally a SBH was the prominent choice. I'm quite sure the strong loads listed under the "pistol" category will be more than enough coming out of a 20"bbl lever-action.
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The only thig to xcheck is if your marlin will feed swc bullets. I have had 7 marlin lever actions and my 45 colt ones would the 44 mag and 357 mag ones would not. So maybe a lead round nose flat point or a jhp without an expose lead front.
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Thanks. I just found the library. I will be doing a lot of reading there.

I also plan to.start casting soon as well. My plans for this year are to buy a .45LC SAA clone and the .44Mag LEVER. Casting would help reduce the cost of shooting these rounds.
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From my personal experience, it is better to develop different loads for the revolver and levergun. When I bought a .44 Mag Marlin 1894, it was my first .44 Mag, so new load development began. My go-to load for the Marlin is 270 gr Speer JSP Gold Dot/Deep Curl bullets with a near-max charge of W296 powder.
When I got my .44 Redhawk, the 'one load fits all' sounded nice, but after load development, I found a 240 gr JSP full-power and a 240 gr cast SWC reduced load that shoot well and comfortably in the Redhawk.

Yes, I can use any of the loads in the two guns, but have realized better performance by working up specific loads for each gun. YMMV, but that's what I found in my case.
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Yeah, that's not real surprising. The mechanics of the 2 types of guns are vastly different. Naturally there will be a difference between the 2 with the same load.


I may work up a great load for each and a combined load somewhere in between that may not be the best for either, but is good enough for both. If it's a severe decrease in performance then I'll stick with separate loads. But if it is consistent and performs at least good in both then I may go with that.
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I had a Marlin 1894 Cowboy version a few years ago and tried unsuccessfully to come up with loads that worked in my S&W pistol too. In fact I was never really satisfied with that rifles accuracy.

Fast forward to today and I now have the same S&W pistols along with a 4 5/8" SBH, a standard 1894 AND a pair of NOE's version of Ranch Dog's .432-265-FP and hollow point mold. Those bullets over a stout charge of 2400 will shoot nicely in the Smiths, splendidly in the SRH and "minute of elephant" in the Marlin. Actually I'm getting 1 1/2" groups at 50 yards using XS peep sights.

I believe I've learned a thing or two in the years.
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The velocity difference between the rifle and handgun barrels make it difficult. No one projectile will be optimum for both applications. I reload 240gr XTP hollow points for deer hunting with my 7.5" Redhawk. I had a 240gr JSP punch through the ribs/ lungs of a 5pt buck without expanding. The deer ran off, I never found the first drop of blood, and I only found it days later in a briar thicket 200yds away thanks to the vultures. My brother-in-law has a Ruger .44carbine and has lost deer when conventional 240gr hollow points have blown up on the shoulder and failed to penetrate. He wouldn't even use the little carbine on hogs. I bought him some 270gr Speer Deep Curl ammo and now he's all set. A good mid-range cast bullet load should be great for range use in both guns. I'd work up specific rifle and handgun loads for hunting use however.
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Yeah...I kinda figured the velocity difference would require different bullet weights and constructions. I've had trouble with muzzleloader bullets not expanding. They punch a nice neat hole through the deer. Looks like a field tip arrow shot through them. Luckily they dropped otherwise I might not have found them.

Looks like I'll make up a specific hunting load for each. And then make up a common practice/target/plinking load that they can share.

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Please keep us posted on what loads wind up working well? I'm in a similar boat (SRH 7-1/2" and Winchester 94 "Trapper" 16").
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Please keep us posted on what loads wind up working well? I'm in a similar boat (SRH 7-1/2" and Winchester 94 "Trapper" 16").
I'll try to remember.

I don't have the lever gun yet. Hopefully I'll get it before this summer so I can get some range time in before deer season.
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It can be done, but be aware that the SAAMI dimensions for a .44 Magnum rifle is different then a handgun; .431" vs. .429". If you add manufacturing tolerance, your rifle bore can go as large as .432" (my Puma slugs out at .433" and my revolvers slug .429" groove diameter.). This may cause leading or accuracy problems...
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Because of the difference in groove diameters on the 44mag handguns and rifles I couldn't find a single cast load that worked great in both guns. I did come up with a load that is acceptable for both. The Ranch Dog 265gr plain base bullet sized to .433 over 10gr of Unique. I did work up really good load for my Marlin using the Ranch Dog 265gr gas checked bullet over a heavy dose of H110 but I don't have the wrist strength to even try it in my Blackhawk.

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