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Old January 9th, 2017, 04:42 PM   #1
 
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I made about 90 rounds of 38 Special using 3.4 gr Titegroup with Speer lead SWC. Felt pretty good about it, went well, using Lee 4 hole turret. Oh btw, I've never reloaded before. Then got to thinking, you know, I didn't check EVERY round for single/double charge. Read here what could happen and decided to redo them all, slowly, with better attention.

Ordered a kinetic bullet puller from MidwayUSA and some shell holders.

Better safe than, well, you know. LZ



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This is one of the reasons I like using a single stage press. I do everything in small fifty round batches and on step at a time. So far in two years have have not had a double or low charge.

Also, I am a bit paranoid about having the same powder charge in each casing so I weigh each and every single charge.
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I have a Dillon progressive press, but use it like a single stage. I am in no rush to load large quantities of rounds, so I take my time and visually check each round while loading.
Prior to loading, I separate my brass by headstamp, because I've learned that different brass has different weight. After loading a 100 round batch, I put each round through the case gauge and the scale. If I find a major inconsistency in the weight of any round, I set it aside for later bullet pulling.
I load for relaxation and enjoyment, not for mass production, so I'd rather take my time and err on the side of caution.

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I load on a single stage and put each round in a tray and go over the tray with a light before I start seating bullets.
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What you all are describing is exactly my plan. Thanks for chiming in.
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Definitely agree with carefully examining every case for powder charge before a bullet goes in no matter what.

If I'm charging with a standard powder measure and loading with a tray, after all the charges are thrown, I visually look into each case with a bright light to verify powder charge and level of charge in each case.

On my lee turret press, I have a a Hornady LED light strip mounted so I can look into each case before seating a bullet.
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I made about 90 rounds of 38 Special using 3.4 gr Titegroup with Speer lead SWC. Felt pretty good about it, went well, using Lee 4 hole turret. Oh btw, I've never reloaded before. Then got to thinking, you know, I didn't check EVERY round for single/double charge. Read here what could happen and decided to redo them all, slowly, with better attention.

Ordered a kinetic bullet puller from MidwayUSA and some shell holders.

Better safe than, well, you know. LZ
No need to pull them. Assuming you have cases with matching headstamps, the case weights will be VERY close. So weigh a loaded round that you KNOW is properly charged. Compare that weight to the rest of the loaded rounds. A double charge will quickly show itself. Obviously nothing wrong with being cautious, but at some point you have to trust your process
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I can normally see my powder charges before seating the bullet on my turret press. Good idea to visually check.
+1 on the post about weighing a loaded round though. Weigh one you know is correct, and then weigh your others to compare.
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I'm using brass from ammo I bought in bulk from Luckygunner. It's Military Ballistics Ind. so every case isn't the same.
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I put a little LED light under my 650 tool head so that I can see into the case as it cycles from an empty station to the bullet seating station. Dillon sells a powder charge checker that can go into the empty spot in the tool head, but after 1,000s of rounds of 45, I haven't had a single double charge using the old eyeballs. I would think that using a progressive press would also eliminate some of the opportunities for double charges being that the casing has to advance with every pull of the handle.

I was leery going from a single to a progressive about the consistency of the powder throw, but after some dry runs and measuring, the throws are extremely consistent. I load for shooting competitions so speed and accuracy are both factors and the rounds are still vastly more consistent and accurate than buying factory ammo!
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I can't advise the OP as to what course of action to take. I can say that paying attention while reloading is key.

When using a single press I like to place the charged casings in a loading block. I then examine the entire set of casings at one time. A double charge would be immediately apparent, although I can't recall ever having one.

I generally use a Dillon 550 to load pistol cartridges and with a good routine it's nearly impossible to get a double charge. Like most things in life, if you pay attention to your task at hand it's not too difficult.
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I made about 90 rounds of 38 Special using 3.4 gr Titegroup with Speer lead SWC. Felt pretty good about it, went well, using Lee 4 hole turret. Oh btw, I've never reloaded before. Then got to thinking, you know, I didn't check EVERY round for single/double charge. Read here what could happen and decided to redo them all, slowly, with better attention.

Ordered a kinetic bullet puller from MidwayUSA and some shell holders.

Better safe than, well, you know. LZ
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I put a little LED light under my 650 tool head so that I can see into the case as it cycles from an empty station to the bullet seating station. Dillon sells a powder charge checker that can go into the empty spot in the tool head, but after 1,000s of rounds of 45, I haven't had a single double charge using the old eyeballs. I would think that using a progressive press would also eliminate some of the opportunities for double charges being that the casing has to advance with every pull of the handle.

I was leery going from a single to a progressive about the consistency of the powder throw, but after some dry runs and measuring, the throws are extremely consistent. I load for shooting competitions so speed and accuracy are both factors and the rounds are still vastly more consistent and accurate than buying factory ammo!
A similar die has already been mentioned above, but Hornady also has a die called "Powder Cop". I use it on my progressive press. It not only shows a double charge (which it has caught on few, but more than 1 occasion), it also shows a non-charge (as in, "I had my head up my a** and did not realize that the powder hopper was empty").

I would seriously warn against the mentality that "hey, I'm using a progressive press so it's near impossible to get a double charge". If ANYTHING throws off the momentum on a progressive press (eg., a .380 casing nesting inside your .45's, a primer which did not seat properly, a .380 which escaped detection while loading 9mm, etc.), one or more rounds will need to be removed and that's when the assembly stops and a double charge is possible. Ask me how I know the "Powder Cop" (mentioned above) works.
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double charged .45

I double charged a .45 ACP round a few years back by accident. I took my Kimber Ultra-Raptor ii to the range for some double tap practice. When I fired that double charged round, it felt and sounded like a magnum load, which I guess it kinda was. Haha. Luckily I didn't do any damage to my pistol (or myself for that matter). But I definitely pay closer attention when reloading now.
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My two main rules.
Look in every case no matter what I am loading on.
Never load in a hurry.

No matter what I never deviate form this two rules.
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The above answers are pretty good "look in every case before seating bullets!" To be absolutely sure of what you have, pull every one. Another way, and what I'd prolly try is to take a random sample, say 10-12 of those 90 reloads and pull the bullets and weigh each charge. If the loads are consistent, I'd prolly shoot them, watching for a squib...

FWIW, in 1970 I had a squib. I have looked in every case I've charged with powder since then (kinda ruined my day as I had to drive 1 1/2 hrs to a place to shoot and I only fired 8 rounds. Had no "range rod" with me so I had to drive 1 1/2 hrs. home.). No squibs nor double charges since...

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