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Old January 10th, 2017, 03:41 PM   #16
 
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I load on a single stage and put each round in a tray and go over the tray with a light before I start seating bullets.
Yes, yes and yes..



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Old January 10th, 2017, 04:09 PM   #17
 
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I've been loading my own ammo for 40 yrs. I started on a single stage press, went to a progressive, and now use nothing but my Redding T-7. To me it's about quality, not quantity.
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I've been loading my own ammo for 40 yrs. I started on a single stage press, went to a progressive, and now use nothing but my Redding T-7. To me it's about quality, not quantity.
Not that my opinion matters, but I kinda' agree and kinda' disagree. For rifle and/or long-range rounds, I most certainly agree that "quality" matters. The tiniest variation out of the muzzle will be compounded multi-times over longer ranges. However, for handgun and/or short-range rounds, tiny variations are not going to be the difference between a 1" MOA and 2" MOA. Just my 2 cents.
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I got them all apart and saw no obvious mis-loads. I weighed some and they were 3.4 - 3.5 gr. And none with no powder. Starting over I decided to do 10 rounds at 3.3 gr and 10 at 3.6 gr to see what the difference is firing them. I'm metering then weighing each one. The Lee Autodrum got fussy and all over the place with light loads, could that be because I left the powder in it for a few days? Took it apart and cleaned it, then it got to be supper time and I hate to miss a meal don't you know so I'll try it again today. Do you ever get to where you trust the auto metering? LZ
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I got them all apart and saw no obvious mis-loads. I weighed some and they were 3.4 - 3.5 gr. And none with no powder. Starting over I decided to do 10 rounds at 3.3 gr and 10 at 3.6 gr to see what the difference is firing them. I'm metering then weighing each one. The Lee Autodrum got fussy and all over the place with light loads, could that be because I left the powder in it for a few days? Took it apart and cleaned it, then it got to be supper time and I hate to miss a meal don't you know so I'll try it again today. Do you ever get to where you trust the auto metering? LZ
By trial & error, you will develop an understanding of which powders work best and which not so much with your meter. Some meters like "stick" powder, other like "ball". Even something like static cling in your meter will show variations. For that reason, I store my empty hopper on my Hornady LNL progressive with a spent dryer sheet - it seems to have eliminated most static cling of the powder.

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Old January 13th, 2017, 06:36 AM   #21
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Do you ever get to where you trust the auto metering? LZ
The Lee auto drum is what I use most now days. I find it drops consistently once dialed in which is easy enough. Regardless of what brand powder measure, there is always room for error so a must practice for me is to eyeball every case or use a powder cop following the powder drop, either will keep you out of trouble but your eyes are your best friend.
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For more years than I like count, I've used a cheap goose-neck lamp hovering over the left side of the 550. Every case is checked on its way to the bullet seater.

In a hurry?
You don't belong at the loading bench.

No patience?
You don't belong at all the loading bench.
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You might think about starting over by reading a good reloading manual, completely! This is also why I recommend everyone start with a single stage. There are so many things that are very important. Not only powder amount, oal, but powder storage. We aren't making biscuits here, unless you know of a biscuit that can blow your fingers off.

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Who says he hasn't read a manual? You don't know.

But he thought he MIGHT have made a mistake and elected to check. Seems like he is doing fine.

Reloading isn't rocket science. With a book, proper equipment, patience, ability to follow instruction and an attention span longer than a gnat, anybody can reload. I started when I was 11 with parental instruction and was rolling my own by myself at 12.

To the OP. Never leave powder in your measure. It can attack the plastic , which can change the powder characteristics, as well as damage your hopper

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It was probably 25 years ago, but I managed to double charge my Gold Cup, Thank God it was only a target load. The recoil was severe enough to take off the front sight and destroy the mag. I consider myself lucky. BTW I was using my 550.

This happened because I got distracted, my daughter came to my room to ask me a question.......totally my fault.

Now, when ever I have to get off my stool for any reason, no matter how brief, I will leave my press with the handle down, (cases up in the dies). When the cases are up in the dies I know a case is resized, a case is charged, a bullet is seated and a round has been taper crimped.

If I get off the stool knowing I may not return for a while, I will finish out the stations that are occupied, leaving the previous station empty.

I'm not suggesting that anyone adopt this way of doing it, it works for me.



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Yep, I do have a manual. Well, three actually. All is well, I unloaded those rounds and saw no misloads, and have since reloaded about 1100 rounds. I have taken the advice here to heart and am using the turret press in single stage mode, looking over each cartridge at each step. So far so good, the rounds I've fired are fine. Recently ordered 1000 rounds of .38 PPU to practice with and to gain more brass. Oh, I'm checking the powder weight on every 10th round an the powder measure is accurate +_ a tenth each time. Close enough for what I'm doing.

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Who says he hasn't read a manual? You don't know.

But he thought he MIGHT have made a mistake and elected to check. Seems like he is doing fine.

Reloading isn't rocket science. With a book, proper equipment, patience, ability to follow instruction and an attention span longer than a gnat, anybody can reload. I started when I was 11 with parental instruction and was rolling my own by myself at 12.

To the OP. Never leave powder in your measure. It can attack the plastic , which can change the powder characteristics, as well as damage your hopper
You might take it down a notch. The OP stated with his title, he was starting over. I never said or implied he hasn't read his manual. I'm 63 and have been loading for 35+ years and I read parts of my manual(s) repeatedly just for a refresher.
I just feel a refresher with going over the manual may help correct several mistakes the OP brought light to.
And it isn't rocket science but pretty darn close since we are working with propellants and combustion.
I'll add, it takes wise man to know his limits and it's a very good sign he took the cautious path and pulled his bullets and came on here to offer a great discussion that we all can learn from.

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For those using a single stage press, I generally load pistol in batches of 400. I load out of a bin of some sort(box, plastic tray). It goes from one bin to another after every step.

When powder charging, I use a powder measure with micrometer. Each primed case gets removed from the bin, under the powder measure then into a loading block. After each loading block has been filled, I give a visual check to verify all cases look the same. Then on to bullet seating and crimping.

I have been doing this for 45 years without a problem.

For those using a progressive, depends on which one. I use a Lee Pro 1000. I cover the mouth of the charged case with my finger so as to not have any powder bounce out when it indexes, then after indexing I give a visual check to volume before inserting bullet.

I have only been using the progressive for 8 years, but never a problem.

Biggest issue when reloading is focus, concentration. Never have distractions while reloading, this causes most problems.

I have loaded hundreds of thousands of shells using these methods without problem during my competitive pistol shooting years. Averaged 50,000 rounds a year. Yeah I know, it's a lot, but things were MUCH cheaper then!

Make a loading plan, and stick with it. If you find something doesn't "feel" right, STOP and check.

I use the same procedure for reloading rifle cases, but batches vary according to caliber and need.
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