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Old January 14th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #16
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Rugerfanboy, I guess I'm more into traditional cartridges that are very versatile ... like a 38 Special. I load 148gr DEWCs for my 38s .... very modest recoil, deadly accurate, eject perfectly from any revolver, super easy and cheap to reload. 38 Specials have to be about the easiest cartridge to load on my Dillon RL550. As they say .... different strokes for different folks. I'll stick with my trusty 38 Special cartridges.



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Old January 14th, 2017, 11:32 AM   #17
 
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For the first time, ever, I have to respectfully disagree with RF's premier member and expert commentator! I think the .38 Short Colt offers a few advantages: first is full ejection of spent cases from little snubbies, second is the short rounds are easier to load using a speed loader and third, the charged speed loader is smaller and easier to carry/conceal. Finally, and very importantly, what Dozermonkey said, it's something different and unique.
Very well said and I agree 100%. Plus, I'd like to add, you cant get a 38 Special to shoot as clean as my reloaded 38 Short Colt ammo with the same powder charge that I'm using in my reloaded 38 Short Colt ammo. Also, I'm getting close to the same velocity as the 38 Special and I'm using less powder. I can also shoot more 38 Short Colts than you can 38 Special between cleans. Me and the wife shoot allot, so this is a big thing for us.

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I really like the .38 SC, but it's a little on the anemic side so I hope to never have to engage a hostile target with it. That said, having .38 SC in a little revolver is much better than trying to use my cane to defend myself.
Remember, your using factory rounds that are loaded for a black powder revolver. This caliber can be loaded hotter if the reloader wants too. I still have 1.5gr of powder I could add if I wanted to go with a defense round. Plus, I have jacketed hollow points if I go that route.

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And, a little bit off-topic, I finally managed to pick up an S&W M360J yesterday. I have had one on my want list for months, mostly because they tend to quite a bit less expensive than the steel S&W's. This one looks to be unfired although it was on consignment out in Manassas. It's already been cleaned and lubed, and sure enough, it's in a pocket holster charged with five .38 SC's.
That a nice revolver. I really like small frame revolvers.

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Edited to add: I hope to see a comment here on RF about someone ordering some brass. I don't need, and could never use up, 500, but a hundred or so would be nice (plus unprimed is mailable). Someone making an order?
I still haven't place my order with Starline for some 38 Short Colt brass. I need to order asap...!!!
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Rugerfanboy, I guess I'm more into traditional cartridges that are very versatile ... like a 38 Special. I load 148gr DEWCs for my 38s .... very modest recoil, deadly accurate, eject perfectly from any revolver, super easy and cheap to reload. 38 Specials have to be about the easiest cartridge to load on my Dillon RL550. As they say .... different strokes for different folks. I'll stick with my trusty 38 Special cartridges.
I whole heartily agree plus I see your point an completely understand and respect that. Nothing wrong with traditional cartridges. I just have a broader view of diversity. But whose to say the 38 Short Colt and the 38 Long Colt weren't traditional cartridges as well since they where around long before the 38 Special. Even thou the 38 Special is the parent cartridge to the both of them (38 Short & Long Colt). Same thing goes for 357 Magnum being the parent cartridge to the 38 Special.

I have a snub nose 44 magnum revolver that I thought about reloading the 44 Russian cartridge case just because of how heavy of a recoil that this revolver displays. But, I've decided against that idea for now and I might come back to it at a later date since my wife doesn't shoot any of my 44 Magnum guns.

At least there is one thing that we can all agree on....Ruger revolvers can handle anything from mild to wild reloads and any level of factory ammo that produced.
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I use the 38S&W cases to load a rimmed 9mm round for my 9mm revolver. Not a short colt but the same principle.
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Thanks for the enlightenment! My wife is recoil sensitive, so this opens up the possibility for her to carry something with a little more punch.
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Thanks for the enlightenment! My wife is recoil sensitive, so this opens up the possibility for her to carry something with a little more punch.
The possibilities or options for this caliber is pretty broad if one wants to pursue this caliber. Right now, I'm just reloading .125gr JHP's and I plan to reload some 158gr swc when I get some time. I just powder coated some, but I need to work up the load data for them. If I wanted to be weird or odd, I could even cast some 170gr swc for this caliber. I have the mold, I just don't have any cast on hand.

Right now, nobody makes a 38 Short Colt setup for a Dillon RL550B progressive press. This past weekend, I made my own setup for my 550B press. I even used the Dillon powder measure for this setup. Everyone that I talked to said it can't be done without modifications. I say....bologna to those comments. Lee Precision even tried to sell me there drum powder measure to use on my Dillon 550B press. Lee Precision will make a factory crimp die for $36 for the 38 Short Colt. Well, I modified a factory crimp die I had for FREE. Redding doesn't even make a competition bullet seating die for controlling bullet run out for 38 Short Colt. Well, they do now, I made one and the most run out I got, was .002"

I shot 5 rounds with my Ruger SP101 2 " Barrel 357 Magnum Revolver threw my chronograph and this is the results.
1) 877
2) 869
3) 896
4) 884
5) 873
High: 896
Low: 869
Avg: 879
Spread: 27
Standard Deviation: 10
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I'm really interested in hearing more about the powders and load data on these. From what I've read many people start at the lower end of 9mm load data. Any thoughts? Also, I really enjoy punching paper and was wondering if anyone had a good wadcutter bullet or load they have worked up for these?


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I'm really interested in hearing more about the powders and load data on these. From what I've read many people start at the lower end of 9mm load data. Any thoughts? Also, I really enjoy punching paper and was wondering if anyone had a good wadcutter bullet or load they have worked up for these?
9mm is high pressure and 38 Short Colt is low pressure. 9mm casings are tapered inside and the 38 Short Colt is straight walled inside. Not sure the 38 Short Colt casing could take the pressures that the 9mm casing do.

The way I approached this project was, I choose a powder with a fast burn rate for short barrels. A 2 inch barrel is very short and I wanted to make sure all of the powder was burnt up when the bullet leaves the barrel. Plus, I wanted a clean burn, low recoil and wanted somewhat a accurate round. Fast forward past my research stages since there isn't much load data for this cartridge case. I settled on Bullseye powder cause it's used allot in 45 ACP and 45 ACP is not a high pressure round.

Also, during the testing, I used 38 Special brass that I cut and trimmed down. I have since ordered and use the 38 Short Colt brass from Starline.

LINK--->38 Short Colt Brass - Starline - Box of 500-$88.50, Box of 1000-$150.50 - Free Shipping

List below is what I used for my Ruger SP101 357 Magnum Revolver. This is unpublished load data, so start low and work up your load.
Power: Bullseye
Primer: CCI #500 (small pistol)
Brass: Starline 38 Short Colt
Bullet: 125 gr JHP w/cannelure (seated to the cannelure)
COAL (cartridge over all length): 1.045"
Power Charge: 3.5 grains

Chronographed: 3.5 grains of Bullseye is what the revolver liked the best and the cartridge case sealed good in the cylinder chamber.
1) 877
2) 869
3) 896
4) 884
5) 873
High: 896
Low: 869
Avg: 879
Spread: 27
Standard Deviation: 10


I started at 3.0 grains of powder and worked up to 3.9 grains. All of these were run threw my chronograph. 3.9 grains still did not show any high pressure signs (primers was not flattened nor was they hard to eject). But, at 3.9 grains, the gun started to bark and that is when I stopped the ladder testing.

Also, the bullet jump did not effect it's accuracy at all. Next is to convince the wife to let me work up a load for some coated 158 gr SWC. But she's liking the 125 gr JHP's and she's wearing them out fast. 125 gr JHP are not cheap, so hopefully she'll like the coated 158 gr SWC cause I can cast them a whole lot cheaper than I can buy the 125 gr JHP bullets.
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Looks very interesting, but if I get another 3 inch barreled SP101 in .357 I will do as Iowegan suggested as I have done in the past. Its very easy to work up a mild load in .38 Special. I have a 3 inch SP101 in .327 FM and shooting the 100 grain AE factory loads can be very punishing!!! So with factory once shot brass & Starline .327 FM brass I have worked out some easier shooting loads by experimenting such as the OP has done. The results can be very satisfying!!! This thread is a good read!!!
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