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Old January 7th, 2017, 01:07 PM   #1
 
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Hornady 225gr XTP .44 mag bullet ?

Just got back into reloading after not doing it for several years. Mainly loaded .44 mags. Have a box of 225 gr XTP's. My question is is it really necessary to trim the brass if intended use is for a Superblackhawk of Redhawk ?



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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:41 PM   #2
 
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Do you mean the FTX lever revolution? I haven't personally loaded them but have read you only need to trim the case when used in a lever action. Hopefully someone will come along with first hand experience.
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Welcome to the forum Thunter. Glad you are reloading again. I love reloading for my .44mag Redhawk. I reload the 240gr XTP bullet to just over 1400fps with great accuracy. Those 225gr XTP mags should be fine deer and hog medicine. Since the revolvers you mention have generous cylinder lengths you won't come near max c.o.l. with that bullet even with cases longer than trim-to length. What matters is that all the cases are the same length. Do you have boxes of once-fired brass ready to prep, or are your cases mixed together? If mixed you can sort by head-stamp. The choice comes down to trimming everything to one length or sorting into batches and adjusting the belling-seating-crimp dies for each batch.
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This is going to be one of those maybe.

You have rimed and rimless handgun cases out their. As an example, 45 ACP is rimless while 45 Colt is rimed.

While the general accepted opinion is that all cases, even new should be re-sized and trimed, it is not always necessary to do so.

The rimless cases seat within the chamber of your gun on the mouth of the case, it is therefore important that the case be the correct length (COL) too large a case will not let the gun go to full battery (completely closed). Too short a case could result in a jammed case in your chamber. Rimless cases are not crimped because of this.

Rimed cases are generally used in revolvers and index (seat) on the cylinder of the revolver with the rim. It is more important that the Over All Lenght of the cartrage (with the bullet in it) is correct (OAL). Too long and your cylinder will not revolve (jam), too short and the bullet will hit the "Forcing Cone" (that part just before the barrel) of the revolver off center and will not be accurate.

When a firearm is fired, a great amount of heat is produced in the chamber that effects the case by making it soft and the case will "flow" to the deminsions of the chamber (this is call fire forming the case) this is done most often with rifle cases than handgun.

When the case "flows" it changes shape and sometimes size.

When you start out the reloading process you should measure the length of your cases to make sure they are in spec for the COL, if they are then you do not need to trim, if not you will need to trim them.
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I think he's referring to the FTX bullet since they are the only 225 hornady makes, and the manual says to trim the cases shorter since the bullets are longer due to the point. Necessary to feed in a lever action but I don't think it is necessary in the Ruger revolvers
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I think he's referring to the FTX bullet since they are the only 225 hornady makes, and the manual says to trim the cases shorter since the bullets are longer due to the point. Necessary to feed in a lever action but I don't think it is necessary in the Ruger revolvers
Very interesting, the bullet doesn't exist. There is no 225gr 44cal XTP mag option in the line. The OP gives that info twice? If he's talking about FTX bullets then that is a whole different story. Details really count in reloading.
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STOP! Find out the details of what you have. Find a load published by the bullet manufacurer for it, and follow it exactly. Pay attention to trim length and cartridge overall length.
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Sorry for the mixup. I meant FXT.

I do sort and measure ALL brass.

Funny thing....the box shows the bullet to have two crimping points one low and one up higher on the brass. The bullet I have has the higher crimping point so I'm pretty sure they're not to long. But........they could be too short. I'll do an over all length measurement and try to re post.

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Hornady reloading data for this bullet does say to trim cases for revolvers too but I can't figure out why.
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Loading Hornady FTX Bullets Without Shortening Brass


Short Hornady Revolver Brass - Revisited


Shooting Test: Is Shortening of Hornady FTX Cases Necessary?
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Sorry for the mixup. I meant FXT.

I do sort and measure ALL brass.

Funny thing....the box shows the bullet to have two crimping points one low and one up higher on the brass. The bullet I have has the higher crimping point so I'm pretty sure they're not to long. But........they could be too short. I'll do an over all length measurement and try to re post.

Thanks for responding fellas !!
I meant too crimping points on the bullet not the brass.

Remember I'm a little computer challenged. LOL

Just bear with me guys I'll get it right eventually !
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I think he's referring to the FTX bullet since they are the only 225 hornady makes, and the manual says to trim the cases shorter since the bullets are longer due to the point. Necessary to feed in a lever action but I don't think it is necessary in the Ruger revolvers
^^^This. I wouldn't trim any cases shorter than SAAMI specs just to use this one box of bullets, not just because they will probably work in the Ruger without, but because there is no advantage to using this bullet in a revolver. They were originally intended for use in levers, thus the loading issues with standard length brass.

IMHO, They are pricey and offer no advantage over standard XTPs outta a revolver. Thus trimming brass that will not be the same length as your other brass may create problems/confusion for you later on. Load 'em, shoot 'em and then decide of they are worth the extra moneys and effort(many folks have problems seating them). If you decide you really like them and are going to use many more of them in the future, then trim.
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Yeah I just bought one box of em just to try em for a deer load. The factory ones do a good job of expanding. I don't have to use em. I've got plenty of 200 gr XTPs and Sierra 220 gr silhouettes to load.

I just don't understand why Hornady wants to trim the pistol brass. Mabey so someone doesn't accidentally put untrimed ones in a rifle.

May give Hornady a call and find out.

Thanks for all the responses guys !!
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I load to an o.a.l. of 1.71 in my Redhawk. How long are the FTX's when loaded?
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