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Old March 29th, 2009, 02:27 PM   #1
 
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.357/.38 Shotshell capsules

For those of you that are loading or have loaded any of these, what did you use for powder and how much. I haven't been able to find any load data on them.



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ajmorell, The Speer manual has all the loading data for shot capsules.
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Sounds like an interesting round. How effective do you think these capsules are? And would you need a special seating die to seat the capsules?
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Sounds like an interesting round. How effective do you think these capsules are? And would you need a special seating die to seat the capsules?
Not sure, the capsules are relatively cheap so I was thinking about trying it out. Not sure on the special seating die, I am planning on trying what I have and seeing where that gets me.
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I load shotshells for both .38 Spl and .44 Mag, using the Speer capsules. I use W231 powder, and seat/lightly crimp with a regular die. For shot, I bought a cheap box of 12 ga rounds w/#8 shot, and then salvage the shot from them. The Speer manuals have the loading data, and I find that I get better shot patterns with less-than-max powder charges.
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Very intresting on the use of shot gun shells for this
beats buying bag o f shot
thanks for the info.
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I load shotshells for both .38 Spl and .44 Mag, using the Speer capsules. I use W231 powder, and seat/lightly crimp with a regular die. For shot, I bought a cheap box of 12 ga rounds w/#8 shot, and then salvage the shot from them. The Speer manuals have the loading data, and I find that I get better shot patterns with less-than-max powder charges.
[SIZE="4"]Minimum charges are best, just enough to make sure the capsules break up. Too much oomph and it blows the centers out of the patterns.[/SIZE]
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Just don't go too minimum, or you'll end up lodging the plastic sleeve in the bore ... otherwise they work pretty slick ... JL
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You spread should be in the neighborhood of 1" per foot. I have mine loaded with #6 shoot. Ideal for shooing snakes.
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Anyone ever have a problem with the capsules moving forward under recoil and tying up the gun?
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Anyone ever have a problem with the capsules moving forward under recoil and tying up the gun?
If you shoot the shot loads along with max. charged bulleted loads in the same cylinder, there may be a chance of a shot capsule moving forward. But as I indicated earlier, I apply a slight roll crimp into the capsule when seating it. When I've tried to push a seated/crimped capsule in with thumb pressure (round standing nose-up on bench), the capsule didn't move.
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Good to know, thanks.
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Anyone ever have a problem with the capsules moving forward under recoil and tying up the gun?
[SIZE="4"]I bought some oddball brand shot capsules (1974 or so) that were clear plastic, preloaded and sealed. I never could get these to crimp properly until I crimped them in a 9mm die, ending up with a crimp 1/8 or so long. Ruined the cases for further use after firing. I was never convinced that these capsules were opening anyway.[/SIZE]
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I've loaded several hundred in 357 and 44. I always use #9 magnum shot, and load them as long as possible and still fit the gun. In my revolver I’d usually use 38 brass and make it just below flush w/ the cyl. Not only does it work better, but it looks cool too. In my rifle (Marlin 44) I’d load them to 2" OAL, that's enough that they’ll need to be hand fed into the chamber and forced into the rifling. The only draw back is once they're in you either have to shoot them out or pound them back out. The reason is power, the longer it is the more power you can get. They’re just toys really, I can’t see any real purpose for them, so why not load hot? I never had any problem with the center blowing out as some here suggested, if anything I was very surprised at how well they worked. I used them for shooting clays, fruit, bugs etc.
I’d post my powder charge, but I’ll get attacked and be told how I’m going to blow myself up etc. The pressure is below that of a standard magnum, but much higher than what Speer or other published data suggests. I prefer to use mag primers to help eliminate a squib due to the combination of a super light projectile and the slow Blue Dot. I've never had a squib with any primer/powder combo, it's just a precaution.
As for the crimp; I adj my die to bite more than with a bullet. Try to get a feel for it by crimping a few until they crack, you'll see they can take quite a bit. Then try to pull some apart by hand, or with a bullet puller. It's really the only way to find that happy window between tight enough and cracked.
I’ve also loaded them into my 9mm. Not much power, and you need to force it into the rifling, but still fun.
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Over on the Cast Boolits site, I have a friend that goes by GP100Man, who makes his 357 shotshells out of 357 Maximumm brass without useing the capsules. He uses Card wads and glue. They work great and Just fit the chambers of a GP 100.

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