Saw a guy firing a .38spl rifle at the range today.This is a discussion on Saw a guy firing a .38spl rifle at the range today. within the Range Reports forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; ChrisLCR, Here's the situation .... if you have a revolver chambered in 357 Mag, it will develop about 1250 fps velocity and 535 ft lbs ...  |
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October 28th, 2012, 08:25 AM
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ChrisLCR, Here's the situation .... if you have a revolver chambered in 357 Mag, it will develop about 1250 fps velocity and 535 ft lbs of energy with a 158 gr factory load. In a rifle chambered for 357 Mag, it will develop about 1800 fps and 1137 ft lbs of energy. As you can see, the rifle's longer barrel will result in a much higher velocity and has more than double the energy of a revolver. A 357 Mag lever action rifle is great for those Wisconsin whitetails at distances up to 100 yards.
If you move up to a 44 Mag, the energy levels from a rifle will rival that of a 30-30 rifle. The beauty of having a lever action rifle chambered in either a 357 Mag or a 44 Mag is ... you can practice with lower power 38 Specials or 44 Specials. This reduces recoil, is easier on your pocket book, plus these cartridges are also compatible with revolvers chambered for the same cartridge. A 44 Mag rifle is powerful enough for any critter in Wisconsin, to include bears.
Here's my Marlin 1894C chambered in 357 Mag. A deadly deer rifle and a real fun gun to shoot.
Here's my Marlin 1894 chambered in 44 Mag. A great "brush gun"
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October 28th, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisLCR I was at the handgun range and saw a guy with a big rifle! I was like, what the hell... as I knew rifle rounds wouldn't be allowed. Turns out it used the .38spl cartridge. I didn't even know such a thing existed. Not sure why someone would want a rifle chambered for .38spl though, other then for practice at an indoor range only.
I'm learning something new everyday! Just thought I'd share since I didn't have anything else to say. | I have a couple 92 rifles chambered for 357/38 made by Rossi. The reason the 92 was made in the first place was that you only needed one caliber for rifle and pistol. That would be a big advantage when out on the range on a horse.
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October 28th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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They are great for small game or SSAS matches . I think there are more 38 spec shot in the matches then all other cal combined .
This is the 1st time I shot it and the only load I made for it .
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October 28th, 2012, 01:01 PM
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My .357 mag. chambered H&R will fire hand loads that equal the .357 Remington Maximum in the .357 Magnum case (180 gr. & 200 gr.). Since it is single shot, I don't have the COAL to worry about. My cartridge OAL is determined by the throat length and it is ample in the SAAMI chamber. My longest load is a 200 gr. FTX with a COAL of 2.22" and a charge of 18 gr. of IMR4227. This has been proven to be safe in my HandiRifle.
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October 29th, 2012, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack D My .357 mag. chambered H&R will fire hand loads that equal the .357 Remington Maximum in the .357 Magnum case (180 gr. & 200 gr.). Since it is single shot, I don't have the COAL to worry about. My cartridge OAL is determined by the throat length and it is ample in the SAAMI chamber. My longest load is a 200 gr. FTX with a COAL of 2.22" and a charge of 18 gr. of IMR4227. This has been proven to be safe in my HandiRifle. | I'm not saying you are incorrect but before you get into trouble read the infor in this paste . I have a Encore with 357 Max that shoots 180 Gr at 2400 fps and there is a ton of infor and they rechamber . There are many different article on 357 Max in this paste. 357 Remington Maximum Loading Data |
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October 29th, 2012, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Tx gunrunner I'm not saying you are incorrect but before you get into trouble read the infor in this paste . I have a Encore with 357 Max that shoots 180 Gr at 2400 fps and there is a ton of infor and they rechamber . There are many different article on 357 Max in this paste. 357 Remington Maximum Loading Data |
Not sure what your referring to as being incorrect. The proof is in the doing and I've been doing it for some time now. Please be more specific so I can make a correction if need be. By the way, I was in contact with the author of the link you posted while working on this rifle.
My web page on this rifle and the loads I'm using. .357 Mag
And the Hogdon load data for IMR4227 (H4227) for the .357 Maximum.
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October 29th, 2012, 09:11 AM
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It wouldn't be the least bit odd to see someone shooting .38sp's through a carbine (rifle) at the local range...Revolver caliber carbines (rifles) are very popular.
It's been my observation (opinion) that light fast handling carbines chambered in revolver cartridge calibers, and to some extent, pistol caliber cartridges, are a perennial favorites across a broad spectrum of shooters.
They are versatile, accurate and a lot of fun to shoot.
While the lever action is the most common revolver cartridge carbine (rifle) one is likely to encounter...there are others such as the bolt action 77/357 and 77/44 which are also chambered in revolver caliber cartridges.
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October 29th, 2012, 09:50 AM
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The only thing I know of that comes close to shooting both rifle and pistol cartridges is that only because the 460 S&W is right up there with some 45 caliber rifle cartridges when fired from an encore rifle or a rechambered Handi rifle. In the latter case, some folks have pushed pointy 45 cal bullets to 2900fps from a rechambered Handi rifle. My Encore pro hunter will wing the .452" 460 Smiths out at a pretty fast clip, and will also shoot 454 Casull and 45 Colt. Recoil with the 460s is stout and the gun is very loud with a 20 inch barrel.
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October 29th, 2012, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TNWNGR My Marlin 1894 shoot's 357 Magnum and 38 Special. Either round is completely different in performance out of my Marlin than any handgun. | How do you find the recoil on your Marlin firing either round?
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October 29th, 2012, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 100shots1kill I want a .357 LA so bad... | Me too. I think I'll throw a tantrum until I get one. |
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October 29th, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry the Liberal Me too. I think I'll throw a tantrum until I get one.  | I wouldn't throw a tantrum. But I've heard so many horror stories on Marlins in terms of the quality, that it makes me hesitant. I wish there was more reviews on Winchester lever actions, because I really like their large loop carbine.
I just want to know it's worth the price.
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October 29th, 2012, 11:37 AM
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I have a beautiful 1866 carbine chambered in 38 Special goes with my pair of USFA Rodeos in 38 special. Great CAS set up.
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October 29th, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by leftofcentre67 I wouldn't throw a tantrum. But I've heard so many horror stories on Marlins in terms of the quality, that it makes me hesitant. I wish there was more reviews on Winchester lever actions, because I really like their large loop carbine.
I just want to know it's worth the price. | Save your money and get a Rossi '92 replica. They come in .38/.357mag, .44Sp/.44Mag and .45 Colt and .454 Casull.
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October 29th, 2012, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by leftofcentre67 I wouldn't throw a tantrum. But I've heard so many horror stories on Marlins in terms of the quality, that it makes me hesitant. I wish there was more reviews on Winchester lever actions, because I really like their large loop carbine.
I just want to know it's worth the price. | never had a problem with my marlin lever action. people hear all sorts of things-1911s are inaccurate, AKs are inaccurate, etc. mostly bull
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October 29th, 2012, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr40ken Save your money and get a Rossi '92 replica. They come in .38/.357mag, .44Sp/.44Mag and .45 Colt and .454 Casull. | I have a Rossi 92 rifle and Mare's Leg. Both are great shooters but they do need some work done to them before shootin' them. The plastic follower needs to be replaced with a metal one, the mainspring, trigger spring, and magazine spring all need to be reduced plus some modifications on other parts. All modifications are simple. I recommend getting the video from Steve. Steve's Gunz, The Home of the Rossi 92 Specialist |
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