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Old March 19th, 2017, 12:00 PM   #1
 
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Shooting my Shield PC 9mm on Saturday the elevation was good but my grouping was centered about 3" to the right at 10 yds. Last night I put the slide in a vise and applied a punch and a hammer to the front sight and after gravitating to a big hammer, I finally got it to move a bit to the right. I went out today to see how I did. Again at 10 yards, I shot a 3" group that this time was centered 1.5" left. Coming from a precision rifle shooting discipline my inclination is to tap on it again to try to center the group, but I'm thinking this might be good enough and that further tapping on it might just be me chasing my tail. Should I keep tapping on it or am I over-thinking this? I know it's not a target gun. Someone, please tell me to stop!!! I'm spoiled because my 1911 is perfectly sighted.




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Old March 19th, 2017, 01:08 PM   #2
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I would sight it in as perfect as possible. You're almost there. My PC Shield is dead on and well worth the assurance. A good shooter for sure.
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You went too far , just move it 1/2 ways back. Moving them back is easier , so go light with hammer. You and I both know just being close isn't going to be good enough.
Sight it in and be happy !
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It didn't take much movement of the sight to move the POI 4". I know it will likely be easier to move it back, but I don't want to over correct, again. I have drifted some sights in my day, but this Shield was a real bear to move. I heard that S&W put loctite or some other epoxy on them to keep them in place. I will shoot it once more to make sure that the zero is 1.5" off, but you are right, it probably will bug me enough that I'll soon be pounding on it again. I just don't want the punch to slip and break the Hi-Vis sights. They look fragile.

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They are brutal to move. I put TFO sights on a different Shield. I had a tough time with the Shield's sights.
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see if a local smith has a sight mover.
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see if a local smith has a sight mover.
My first thought was of buying a sight mover tool. The MGW sight removal tool made for the Shield is a dedicated tool @ $125 (ouch!!) from Brownells (out of stock). Then I heard about an issue with the original version of these tools cracking Shield slides (and the PC Shield has vents in the slide just behind the sight is likely even weaker). It's probably why everyone is out of stock on this tool. With the slide supported by a vice, it's not going to crack by a rap on the sight. Next time I shoot it, I will shoot it from a rested position just to make sure today's grouping was not operator error, which I'm kinda hoping it was.
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Got some C clamps?

On my little vise,I clamp the slide in, then I clamped a C clamp on it as a sight pusher. Kinda hard to explain,, but if you got a couple C clamps you can make it work. I found it works well for sensitive adjustments to get something dialed in tight.
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Got some C clamps?

On my little vise,I clamp the slide in, then I clamped a C clamp on it as a sight pusher. Kinda hard to explain,, but if you got a couple C clamps you can make it work. I found it works well for sensitive adjustments to get something dialed in tight.
I can picture it. Great idea. The C clamp will have to have a very small end as the sight dovetail is not very wide and the clamp will have to fairly wide/long. I will look to see if I can find an suitable clamp, but I can see where it would work. Thanks for a great idea.
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Draw a pencil line on the slide and sight. Then you will know just how much you moved it. If too far, you can always go back a bit using the pencil line as reference.
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Draw a pencil line on the slide and sight. Then you will know just how much you moved it. If too far, you can always go back a bit using the pencil line as reference.
That's what I did and gave it a couple taps yesterday. I shot it today, resting my arms on a bench, I shot a 2" group centered 1/2" to the left with 4 of the 10 shots in or cutting the 1" bull. That's good enough.
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I can picture it. Great idea. The C clamp will have to have a very small end as the sight dovetail is not very wide and the clamp will have to fairly wide/long. I will look to see if I can find an suitable clamp, but I can see where it would work. Thanks for a great idea.
I generally shoot 25 and 50 yards. Yes, I check it off the bench. But I wanna know the gun is capable of it. After that,, missing is MY fault.

That can make a fine adjustment kinda tricky at those ranges., I even did a trick where I put marker on the C clamp threads so I knew just how much I may have moved, or didnt move it.

Ive adjusted my dovetail TruGlo TFX on my CZ's 1/2 a dozen times or more to get it just right. LOl.

But what the hell,, its time well spent on my home range..Thats 1/2 the fun of it for me. Burning powder and messing with my guns.

One day my son bet me I couldnt hit a US quarter size green apple @ 100 yards with a CZ 22 mag. That was actually kinda easy. Took me about 5 shots to dial it in. When I hit 3 in a row,, I handed him the rifle and said " Here, your turn. If you miss, we know its your fault". LOL. He and his wife shot that rifle until dark killing green apples.. He bought the same model rifle about a week later.
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I bought this Shield to hit center mass of a bad guy at 10 yards or so. That's all I expect out of a sub-compact and my meager handgun skills.
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It didn't take much movement of the sight to move the POI 4". I know it will likely be easier to move it back, but I don't want to over correct, again. I have drifted some sights in my day, but this Shield was a real bear to move. I heard that S&W put loctite or some other epoxy on them to keep them in place. I will shoot it once more to make sure that the zero is 1.5" off, but you are right, it probably will bug me enough that I'll soon be pounding on it again. I just don't want the punch to slip and break the Hi-Vis sights. They look fragile.
You might as well move that rear sight now.

At some point in time you'll likely need to remove it to get to the striker block mechanism underneath it for cleaning.

Unfortunately, as reported by many on the S&W forums, the rear sight needs to be heated up with a torch.

S&W has done a real disservice to their customers by using some sort of adhesive on the rear sight, IMO.
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