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Old February 18th, 2017, 12:11 PM   #1
 
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Failure I can't figure out

Very strange experience at the range and now I have questions. Was firing mostly .380s trying to get used to new LCP but also put a couple magazines through each of my 9s. My Glock 17 had a very strange failure and I'm wondering what happened and if anyone has a good theory.

Somewhat rapid fire - trigger locks up and I can't rack the slide. Drop magazine tap it and still can't rack slide. Set it aside pointing down range and let it sit while I fired other pistols. Ready to wrap up and I give the Glock a good tap and rack and the offending cartridge falls out the mag well. The cartridge was much shorter than a 9mm - so at first I though I had accidentally dropped a .380 in my 9mm magazine but then I realized it was a 9 - just the bullet was smashed back into the casing. The primer had a solid dimple. It was not a light strike. The bullet has a good crease in the nose and the shell casing is not only pried open enough for the bullet to be pushed back into the case, it also has a pretty good dent in the case. What the heck happened? Did this round fire inside the pistol? Was it just a dud or FTF and nothing more? It is a Federal Champion 115 FMJ round. With 10s of thousands of rounds at the range, I've never seen this before.
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Old February 18th, 2017, 01:34 PM   #2
 
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Joenaper, I would first pull the bullet and see if there was any powder in the casing, and second I would check and see if the powder was detonated, if no powder, I would check and see if the primer detonated, as even if there was no powder and the primer detonated, that would cause the bullet to lodge in the chamber. Sounds to me like you had a failed primer, and the bullet jammed into the casing while trying to chamber the round.
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Old February 18th, 2017, 01:41 PM   #3
 
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Thanks Loose. I'll pull the bullet out tomorrow. I have folks coming over for dinner this evening. What you suggested sounds plausible. Wouldn't your theory suggest two separate and unrelated failures with the same round?
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With that much bullet setback, it is a good thing the primer didn't ignite any powder.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 10:22 AM   #5
 
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I pulled the bullet out of the casing and there is no powder inside nor does it look like any burned inside. So, I'm now thinking it was a factory dud and somehow just dropped back and lodged on the feed ramp locking the trigger and slide while jamming the bullet into the brass. Does that sound about right? Not the most confidence instilling thing I've encountered. I sent an email to Federal saying basically what I opened this thread with and haven't heard back from them. That was Friday.
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UPDATE:

So Federal ended up calling me a couple of times following my email. Their CS is pretty thorough although not that fast. Ultimately, they sent me a shipping label and had me return the round along with any lot numbers of Federal 9mm I might have.

They believe the round definitely fired. They said there was some rifling on the bullet. They had no explanation for how a fired round remained in the pistol, let alone jammed back into the shell casing. He (my technical CS Rep) said it was one of the strangest cases he'd seen in his years at Federal. His one plausible theory was someone swapped out a previously fired round with the bullet jammed back in, into a box of new ammo - that's comforting. They're sending me some free ammo. I made it clear to them that's not my interest or intent. Honestly, I don't feel good about any off this.

In the end, there's no explanation. The Glock 17 was cleaned just prior to this range trip. I've probably shot well over 3,000 rounds of Federal Champion 115gr FMJ through my various 9s. I've even shot FC through the same Glock since the incident. Now I'm just left wondering what the heck happened and feeling less safe. Am I overreacting?
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UPDATE: His one plausible theory was someone swapped out a previously fired round with the bullet jammed back in, into a box of new ammo - that's comforting.
Very plausible, ammo is not packaged like OTC medication (for you youngsters just google 'Tylenol murders').
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Very plausible, ammo is not packaged like OTC medication (for you youngsters just google 'Tylenol murders').
As bad as that scenario is, I'd prefer that explanation to it fired inside my handgun and the bullet didn't exit but came back somehow. Neither is good but the idea of all that violent action happening in my hands extended in front of my face is not something I want to think about every time I pull a trigger.
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