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Old February 15th, 2017, 01:42 PM   #31
 
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opos sez: "I don't use a digital scale..period."

GONRA's a scaredy cat reloader like you.
BUT I use the RCBS electronic scale to "do all the measuring verk"
then CHECK and TWEAK ACCORDINGLY on a mechanical beam balance.



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And this, folks , is why I NEVER shoot anybody else's reloads, nor do I let others shoot mine.

You mean buying gun show reloads isn't a good idea?
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opos sez: "I don't use a digital scale..period."

GONRA's a scaredy cat reloader like you.
BUT I use the RCBS electronic scale to "do all the measuring verk"
then CHECK and TWEAK ACCORDINGLY on a mechanical beam balance.
Some curiosity here. How much difference is there between the 2? Assuming you "zero" the ELscale with a known weight before each use. I find it hard to imagine the electronic scale drifting enough to cause a catastrophic failure. (unless you're already right on the edge of kaboom)
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You mean buying gun show reloads isn't a good idea?
Have never used them, so I cannot comment other than to say if I'm gonna buy ammo, it won't be reloads.

I'm quite happy with my own reloads, and accept full responsibility for them for my own use.

JMHO
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Please excuse my ignorance, but if you know the weight of the bullet and of the casing, couldn't you just weigh the loaded round to determine the amount of powder inside?
When I first started reloading, I had a bunch of 38 rounds that I weighed after loading. About a dozen of them were overweight (compared to the rest) by about 4 grains. I panicked, thinking I had double charged them. It turned out that the cases of those "overweight" rounds were that much heavier than the other cases. I have since learned that the only thing you can really count on is the powder weight. Even the primer weights are inconsistent.

Best practice is to take caution when loading and stay focused.

I'm glad the guy is ok.
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Some curiosity here. How much difference is there between the 2? Assuming you "zero" the ELscale with a known weight before each use. I find it hard to imagine the electronic scale drifting enough to cause a catastrophic failure. (unless you're already right on the edge of kaboom)
I have both a balance beam, and a hornady LNL dispenser scale. (On the auto LNL) If you follow the directions, turn it on, let it warm up 15 minutes. Use the included 10 gram and 50 gram weight to calibrate then zero the scale, everytime you start a session, its just as accurate to .1 grains, and 50 times faster. Remember to wipe the scale with a dryer sheet to remove static electricity, and have it on a flat surface. It will let you know if its over by .2 grains with an audible warning, and display. You have to clear the overage on the scale before you can proceed. After more than several 100k rounds I trust it as much as my beam. For 380 acp to 50bmg it works for me. I am sure the rcbs, and some others on the market are just as acceptable.
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Attention to detail while reloading is critical. I think I say the same thing to everyone of these type of posts, holds true for all of them.
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Attention to detail while reloading is critical. I think I say the same thing to everyone of these type of posts, holds true for all of them.
Definitely. Essentially you're detonating an explosive charge within inches of your hand and/or face. Just think about that for a second. You really don't want to be careless at any time.
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I have both a balance beam, and a hornady LNL dispenser scale. (On the auto LNL) If you follow the directions, turn it on, let it warm up 15 minutes. Use the included 10 gram and 50 gram weight to calibrate then zero the scale, everytime you start a session, its just as accurate to .1 grains, and 50 times faster. Remember to wipe the scale with a dryer sheet to remove static electricity, and have it on a flat surface. It will let you know if its over by .2 grains with an audible warning, and display. You have to clear the overage on the scale before you can proceed. After more than several 100k rounds I trust it as much as my beam. For 380 acp to 50bmg it works for me. I am sure the rcbs, and some others on the market are just as acceptable.
That's my feeling as well. I haven't used a balance beam in years.

I dip my powder into the brass weighing pan. I know what each scoop weighs within 0.5grn so if it's suddenly off by more than a grain or 2 then I immediately know that my scale isn't zeroed. WHICH HAS HAPPENED. I have seen electric scales creep. You place the charge then as it sits there it can go up or down. I think this is part of that 15min warm up. Usually if you empty the tray when it does that it won't return to zero.
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You mean buying gun show reloads isn't a good idea?
What? You dont buy your ammo from JOEZ LOADZ where his packaging strategy is reused Ziploc bags?



My loading procedure is foolproof in preventing double charges.

I pull my empty cases from a box and then measure in the powder. Only cases with powder go in the loading block. Others are loose.

My blocks hold 50 rounds. I weigh the first load, then evey 5th round after that. That ends up with the block full and every round on the left-most column (i work left to right) is weighed. I also weigh the last round. Then, i go back and randomly select a case from each row (except the left-most one) and weigh it. So, out of 50 charges thrown, 20 are weighed.

My reloading scale is a Mettler-Toledo lab balance i scrounged from work.

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What? You dont buy your ammo from JOEZ LOADZ where his packaging strategy is reused Ziploc bags?



My loading procedure is foolproof in preventing double charges.

I pull my empty cases from a box and then measure in the powder. Only cases with powder go in the loading block. Others are loose.

My blocks hold 50 rounds. I weigh the first load, then evey 5th round after that. That ends up with the block full and every round on the left-most column (i work left to right) is weighed. I also weigh the last round. Then, i go back and randomly select a case from each row (except the left-most one) and weigh it. So, out of 50 charges thrown, 20 are weighed.

My reloading scale is a Mettler-Toledo lab balance i scrounged from work.

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Wonder if the undercharge would work in this like a revolver? I had a friend under charged too much to make a light load and he said felt like was overcharge. I did read where an undercharge can build a lot of pressure up too. However, I measure my powder exact. Also no distractions and if any doubt, then start over. Hope he is alright.
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Wonder if the undercharge would work in this like a revolver? I had a friend under charged too much to make a light load and he said felt like was overcharge. I did read where an undercharge can build a lot of pressure up too. However, I measure my powder exact. Also no distractions and if any doubt, then start over. Hope he is alright.
Perhaps the undercharge didn't clear the barrel but was able to cycle the slide? Next round kaboomed
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A phenomenon once known as "bullseye surprise" has been talked about for years. Speculation is that a light load of Bullseye, or another fast powder, can lay at the bottom of a case and act almost like a shaped charge. Others speculate that someone double charged the case. Easy to do with Bullseye.
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I had some 45 APC rounds a woman gave me one time that belonged to her husband who reloaded, and was deceased. . I decided to just burn them up & save the brass since I had no idea what loads they were.

I used a Blackhawk 45 convertable intentionally. Good thing too.

One was what I suspect was a double charge. Didnt hurt anything in the Blackhawk, and broke the skin on my thumb. I bet it woulda blowed a 1911 apart.
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And this, folks , is why I NEVER shoot anybody else's reloads, nor do I let others shoot mine.

YUP. And that was the FIRST and LAST time I will ever do it again.

That coulda been a REALLY BAD DAY in an automatic or a lesser revolver. .
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