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This is a discussion on Kaboom at the range within the Range Reports forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Originally Posted by redriver Seems like a powerful result for a light load but who knows with a ruptured case. Assume the bullet made it ...


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Old January 16th, 2017, 04:12 AM   #16
 
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Seems like a powerful result for a light load but who knows with a ruptured case. Assume the bullet made it through the barrel. Glad the guy walked away.
Now that you mention that, I wish I would have asked to look at his barrel.



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Old January 16th, 2017, 11:06 AM   #17
 
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This pic from a local indoor range a month back wasn't a kaboom but it easily could've been. 5-6 squibs in a row that filled up the barrel

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We all have learned a lesson like this the hard way. Glad to hear this person is not hurt too bad. When it comes to reloading the lesson I always use or show is 'if it doesn't feel right.....stop' and...........don't force anything!
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Old January 16th, 2017, 11:40 AM   #19
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Since the guy shooting the gun stated he loaded them light, but they SEEMED HOT while shooting the reloads, I am willing to bet he may have misread the scale weight when adjusting the powder drop on his press and made loads that were above the max.
If one of the 45 cases have been reloaded several times, it could have been weak enough to blow just in front of the web where the case is not supported. I have seen several of these 1911 blown cases while I was a LEO firearms instructor and they blown the magazine out and sometimes the grips are blown off the gun.
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Hey, stuff happens. One time, I read 4.5 grains, but set the scale at 5.4 grains. (No, I am not dyslexic.) I was trying a new load, and only loaded 10 rounds. The whole time, something was nagging me in the back of my mind, but I couldn't put my finger on what. So I re-read the load specs one more time. That is when I looked at the scale setting, and smacked myself on the forehead! Thank goodness I did that one last review. The max load was 5.0 grains, so I would have potentially had problems like the subject of this thread.

And that is how I got a new kinetic bullet puller!

Like the wise man said, go with your gut, it is usually right.
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Another thought might be degraded powder. In my early years of reloading, I used powder from an old-but-unopened can of 2400 (a square, metal can...in about the year 2002 to give an indication). Apparently, the powder had gone bad and I didn't know any better.

What were previously good .357 loads with another lot of powder, showed extreme pressure signs. Blown and flattened primers, had to nearly pound the brass out of the cylinder (good thing it was in my Blackhawk), etc.

Surprisingly, degraded powder can cause increased pressures...

Those rounds were the reason I got my puller...

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You can never be to careful when reloading. One mistake can be tragic. I'm glad he wasn't seriously hurt.
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As I've gotten older and hopefully wiser I've read literally hundreds of threads about reloading (if not thousands) and one thing stands out clear to me (may not be an issue in this case)..and that is the "need for speed"

High end progressive presses...automated case prep centers...automated powder throwing devices...etc, etc, etc... It may be partly because of the heavy emphasis on the "high tech" movement or the tactical movement or the adrenaline rush that seems to be so much of today's life.

I won't go back into the "good old days" but I've resisted the urge (and I think we all like gadgets or we would be knitting for a hobby) to load up the bench with the high end volume production equipment. I've tried to make reloading a big portion of my shooting hobby (and hunting hobby when I did..years ago).

I don't use a digital scale..period. I've tried several (not cheapies) and have had enough "questions" that I just went back to my old and trusted 5-0-5 RCBS beam scale...I check the calibration each time with my set of (way too high cost) RCBS check weights...then I double and triple check my settings...I set up the scale before beginning other steps and then before I start to charge the cases I again zero the scale and re set the charge and veryify it against a charge I weighed earlier. I hand weigh all rifle charges and I use the new Lee Auto Drum (not auto disc) measure...I check weigh every 8th or 10th round and if any variation I go back to the last weight place and double check....I have a high intensity light on the press and look at every charged case before I set the bullet.

Even with the extreme care...I've occasionally had that "nagging" feeling that something might not be right...I've almost worn out my second inertial puller from tearing down suspicious charges. I've never found any issues but no way am I going to 'just wing it" at the range..

Old and slow....I don't own an AR nor will I for that reason....I just don't have the need to fire a thousand rounds on a weekend..I take a great deal of pleasure of shooting maybe 50 or 60 rounds in a session with my handguns and maybe 20 rounds with a rifle...

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I had some 45 APC rounds a woman gave me one time that belonged to her husband who reloaded, and was deceased. . I decided to just burn them up & save the brass since I had no idea what loads they were.

I used a Blackhawk 45 convertable intentionally. Good thing too.

One was what I suspect was a double charge. Didnt hurt anything in the Blackhawk, and broke the skin on my thumb. I bet it woulda blowed a 1911 apart.
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And, even for careful reloaders, it is always best to wear eye protection.
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I missed charging a row of 5 9mm cases a couple weeks ago.

I noticed it when I went to seat the bullet. But I didn't know how many I had missed. Ended up weighing and shook the 15 that I had seated and 5 were noticeably lighter and I couldn't hear/feel the powder inside the case. I pulled them and 2 were empty.

So I had skipped a row of 5 in my charging block. Easy to do, and while not as dangerous as overcharging it was still a good wake up call to pay more attention.
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That is one reason I don't use powders that allow a double charge without over flowing the case.
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One of the reasons I am so anal about reloading. My production level is really, really low, it takes time to check, and double check every single step, for every single round.

I wouldn't use a progressive press even if one was given to me.
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that is why it is best to use if possible a powder that will not allow a double charge.
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That is one reason I don't use powders that allow a double charge without over flowing the case.
Thats a good idea. I banned bullseye from my bench because of the ease of a double charge without running it over. My original thought was years ago that bullseye would be a good powder since I could load more rounds with less powder, versus lets say 231 or unique. It would be more $$ savings. However after seeing how easily it was to double charge, I banned it. Its not worth the risk to me.

Reloading is a pay attention kinda hobby. It requires discipline. When I am loading, I do not answer the phone, or carry on conversations, its just me and my labs, and they don't talk, that I am aware of. I do not even allow others in my area when I am reloading. My shop, my rules. This hobby requires total concentration, and safety. I use 2 different single stage presses, and a progressive. I weigh every charge electronically, I do not use the case activated powder drop, it can vary too much with certain powders. But above all I pay attention to the task at hand.

Its not a timed event, the point is to make the most accurate rounds that you are capable of, well it is to me.

Another wise practice is that I do not shoot others reloads. I will take recommendations on loads, bullets, etc. But I do not shoot others rounds.

Being kinda ocd about your reloading has kept me safe, and produced ammo thats super accurate in the firearms i use them in. That has worked for me, so its a process I continue to follow.
I still get kinda nervous putting 240 grains of powder in a 50bmg, and seating a primer thats the size of an 800mg ibuprofen. Thats a good thing.
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I had some 45 APC rounds a woman gave me one time that belonged to her husband who reloaded, and was deceased. . I decided to just burn them up & save the brass since I had no idea what loads they were.

I used a Blackhawk 45 convertable intentionally. Good thing too.

One was what I suspect was a double charge. Didnt hurt anything in the Blackhawk, and broke the skin on my thumb. I bet it woulda blowed a 1911 apart.


And this, folks , is why I NEVER shoot anybody else's reloads, nor do I let others shoot mine.

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