Tacky

Will keep you posted, going to the range with it tomorrow afternoon, for some testing. Its been a few years since I have fired an HK91 or clone.

Tacky

Well, took the PTR out yesterday and fired close to 100 rds, all were handloads from 147 winchester fmj, 165sst hornday and 168 sierra hpbt. I used H4895 loaded to 2500fps. I was suprised, after all I had read about the recoil being tough on this type of weapon, it really wasn't much to talk about. In my opinion the LR308 AP4 I own is worse on recoil and its not excessive either compared to my M1 Garand 30.06 with its steel buttplate and a day of shooting it. I wasn't really shooting as much for accuracy as I was breaking in the barrel, and gun. I seemed to have misplaced my rear sight tool that adjusts elevation of the drum sights, so until I receive another I pretty much dialed up the windage and was checking to see if the mfi optics mount was gonna loosen from the repeated recoil of the .308. I ended up shooting 5 round groups in a 3 inch circle at 25 yards with nuttin but the irons, the 100 yard test will follow in the future. This was seemed equal as compared to the other .308 military type firearms I own, even with the factory 12lb trigger. The gun never jammed, misfed, or caused any problems and was a gun I could shoot all day without issues or fatigue. The MFI mount didn't move an inch, which can be also used on any of the hk family guns from 9mm to .308. The only thing I had to report was that the flashider which comes factory did loosen, which I noticed after I got back to the shop for cleaning. That wasn't a big issue since I plan to replace it anyways, until then I retightned it and no harm done. The magazines I tried were some surplus HK steel mags I bought from HK parts also, no issues either. As for the brass I may have had 2 or 3 casings that had dings but all seemed to be reloadable, when they finishing tumbling and I inspect them I will keep you posted. This is less ding cases than my AUG normally spits out. I was using a custom brass catcher I built to catch all the ejected cases. This is a work in progress but so far I am happy with the results and hopefully can set the rear sight elevation, sight it a 100 yards and mount a scope to see its real potential before I mount an Eotech 512. As always I will keep you guys posted with my findings.

James6591

I agree.
How come you guys can have all this fun stuff, and we can't (AU)?

HappilyAddicted

Thanks for putting up a range report. Really curious to know how it does at 100 yards. Thanks again for taking the time.

Tacky

If some had there way, we will be in the same boat as you guys, I hope that never happens. One of my shooting buddies is from england, and moved here 15 years ago. He is in his 60's and tells me that he wouldn't live anywhere else other than the US, and how the UK's gun laws suck. I couldn't begin to imagine it.

Tacky

No problem at all, soon as I get some more range time and my designated nikon accuracy scope moved from my mini 30 over to the ptr I will list my results. I may take me a bit since I am planning to add the 4.5lb trigger first, but I will keep you guys updated.

Tacky

I finally got up here to post my results of what how my brass turned out after tumbling and inspection. I had approximately 96 cases I tumbled that had been fired outta my PTR. As with all the HK type guns when you fire them it leaves flutes on the neck of the case from the way the chamber is made, these marks disappeared after tumbling and caused no problems keeoing me from reloading them. Most of the cases had a small ding mark probably left by the notch on the ejection port, half wa down the case, but only maybe 3 or 4 of these had dings deep enough that I was worried about reloading them, all the rest were fine and wouldn't cause any issue in my opinion and were reused. I pretty much have started a collection of brass only to be used for the PTR, these recent cases are part of that group. Just a little information to add to the thread, I am working on a few new projects as well, but soon as I can, I am gonna take it out with a magnified scope for 100 yards accuracy testing. Will keep my findings posted !

Tacky

Well, I ended up swapping the Eotech 512 I had put on the PTR for an Aimpoint Comp 3, which sits about a 1/2" lower to the rifle it seems to work perfectly. I wasn't sure it was gonna work with the hooded front sight, but it actually gives me something to line up with when aiming, and keeping my cheekweld in the right place. Also the red dot sits above the front sight guard, which is kinda normal to me since the Ar platforms I have cowitness with the Eotechs, pretty close to the same picture. The Aimpoint looks as if it was made as part of the rifle on top of it, so now hopefully in the next week I will be able to get some range time and zero it in at 100 yards and test accuracy. Pics to follow!

Tacky

I finally got it out to 100 yards yesterday. Its final setup is using a aimpoint comp3 with a 2 moa dot, so far I put several 5 round groups within a 4 inch circle, small shoot n c target on a silhouette. I placed the shoot n c in place of the head and easily placed five round groups with it. I felt that was above average since 2" of the target is covered up by the 2 moa dot at that range and optic is not magnified. In comparison I failed to shoot that tight of a group the same day with my m1a scout with national match iron sights and hand loads at the same distance. I found that the PTR likes the 168 grain amax handload that I have worked up. My next plan is to try the sierra 168 hpbt match bullets in this rifle which have produced sub moa groups out of my 24" dpms .308. Something I did notice shooting from the bench was that it had a bit of recoil, which I plan to mitgate with a pws compensator. Its comparable to the m1a with a flashider instead of a comp. After all that though I am deeply impressed to shoot that well with a standard 12lb trigger, and non magnified scope. After I install the springfield trigger in the rifle and swap the flashider for the compensator, I will post a new review. Also interesting note the mfi low profile rail, and aimpoint comp3 with the included 30mm low ring allows the red dot to appear 1" over the front sight hood, and range from 25 yards to 100 yards can be zeroed without having to modify the HK front sight hood. I know i have seen several people say you had to modify the hood to work with the sight, but In my findings wasn't so. Actually the front sight gives me a point of reference to make sure I am properly aligned, kinda similar to the cowitness on an AR with irons up, and aimpoint or eotech installed and irons being in the lower 1/3 of the optic. All in all I am happy in will post my mod results when they are completed. Also no malfunctions or any issues have happened with the ptr through 200 rds.

HappilyAddicted

Awesome report Tacky. You should definitely look into a trigger job for it. You could make it a single stage 5lb trigger and I'm willing to bet you'll enjoy it much more. Also, how do you like the Aimpoint comp m3? Thinking of picking up a used one. Thanks again.

Tacky

Yeah, as soon as I am able I will be ordering the 4.5lb trigger from Bill and pws compensator from adam at hkparts. The aimpoint I have is the Comp C3, which I purchased from Midway Usa for I think under $450. I like the sight, in particular the long battery life and its military ruggedness. I am however a bigger fan of the Eotech reticle and AA batteries are easy to find and replace. Only down side of the Eo is that I feel its best match is on an ar rifle, which it was probably designed for, but adapted to other firearms. Sometimes the eotech is just too tall for my liking, not that it can't be sighted that way or used with no problem, just doesn't look quite right, like 26" rims on an old buick if you know what I mean. The aimpoint will sit lower on the rifle, and alot of times matches better with the round lines of some firearms, like the ptr. Only 2 negatives of the aimpoint are if you require a specific mount for your firearm, your probably gonna spend an extra $100 or $200 for it. Second when I look through the aimpoint the 2moa dot isn't a crisp circle compared to the eotech or even a much cheaper tasco I have on a 22 rimfire I own with the same basic setup. The aimpoint also produces a halo effect or setting 9 and 10 around the outside of the glass. Not sure why this is since I have great vision and don't wear glasses or contacts. If I could take the 1 moa and 65 moa reticle of the eotech and put that in an aimpoint tube then I think i would be happy....maybe! I have been more accurate with the Eotech in the past, same day I fired the ptr, I took out one of my m4 style rifles equipped with an eotech, and shot 5 round groups in the 1" square of the bullseye, off the bench with factory federal .223 fmj. I own more eo's to aimpoints but both are really great optics and recommend either. I took a picture of my setup as it will stay, without the future mods.



Here is a picture of the same size target I used, not from the PTR however but a pistol I own, to give you an idea of the size of the target and accuracy of the ptr at 100 yards non magnified.

HappilyAddicted

That is a great looking set up Tacky. Thanks again for reporting back.

Tacky

No problem, when the other mods are complete I will post an update. Hopefully soon!

Tacky

Newest addition to my custom is I am swapping the flashider for the Primary Weapon Systems compensator, will have results shortly.