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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:24 AM   #1
 
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Creating a sub caliber counterpart to my Scout Rifle

HI!

Time for a little project. Kinda different than what most of us do here to preserve and use these old Mossy's.

Back story:

I have a Ruger Gunsite Scout, it's definitely my favorite rifle. Small. Super handy. Packs a decent punch being a .308, has great iron sights, a forward mounted long eye relief scope makes target acquisition super fast, pretty light weight (doesnt meet Col. Coopers weight requirement though) and uses detachable box mags. It's a pretty impressive "do all" type rifle.

If you're not familiar with the scout rifle concept from Col. Jeff Cooper, here's some light reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_rifle

Here's my Ruger GSR in 'full dress'


We all like reasons to buy new guns, but in my opinion having a sub-caliber variation of a primary firearm is a great way to practice all your shooting skills without breaking the bank on buying full size rifle ammo. the only issue here is that putting together a similar rifle in .22 caliber (i had plans to use a CZ 425 scout youth model) would have cost somewhere in the range of $400-$500 all said and done. That could buy me ALOT of .308 to shoot. It wasnt until recently that I realized I had a legitimate candidate for this sitting right in my safe.

My requirements were not as strict as the actual definition of the scout rifle, but I needed the following:
-Bolt Action.
-.22 cal
-box magazine fed.
-foreward mounted optic option
-Reciever aperture sight

Sound like some rifles we know?

I've had this poor old Mossberg 42C sitting in my safe for years. It was gifted to me by a buddy because i did him a solid favor one day. He didnt have the time for repairing a basket case rifle.

Its actually the gun that introduced me to the wonderful world of vintage Mossy's (of which I now own 4). And it DOES shoot well, despite having some pitting at the bore, a super heavy trigger, a sometimes picky ejector, no bluing left on the barrel, a nicked crown, missing butt plate, cracked stock, etc etc. It'll put em in a quarter at 50 yards, and my buddy actually out shot me and my 146BA with it at a recent rimfire match (he had optics, I didnt....gotta have some excuse right? :AR15firin).

While this gun has basically a $0 value, it's valuable to me because it was a gift and a number of folks on rimfire central gifted me minor parts like screws and whatnot, to keep it alive. The only way it will ever leave my hands, is as a gift to somebody else.

So, until today, this is how it sat and was occasionally used:


In the scout rifle world we refer to these sub caliber examples as 'Cub Scouts' and as mentioned I had intended to build one out of a CZ 452 Scout. This would have set me back quite a bit of money, so it wasnt worth it because shooting $500 worth of .308 in my actual scout would have been more useful training. The only progress i made, which was actually the saving grace here, was to purchase a forward optic mount from a Taurus M62 .22 pump action because i knew this could be made to work on the 452 scout. The mount was $20 shipped to my door, on gun broker.

I was milling around today and the thought occurred to me that the barrel profile on that mount might work with the 42C, and all i would have to do is get a dovetail cut in the barrel to mount it. I'd have the barrel shortened at the same time to get it closer to scout size. Well, moments later it occurred to me that I dont NEED a dovetail, and a perfectly fine threaded hole already exists on the top of my 42C.

I removed the scope that was on it and rummaged through my parts bin, and mocked this up.


BOOM. Instant cub scout.

Ran back to my closet and started piecing things together. I have a ugly green Hi-Lux 2-7x LER optic that I scored for $50 a while back that was brand new, just painted green. Its overkill for the cub-scout, but its exactly the optic that i need. Should work perfect, and i already have it, and its a good quality optic.


So, todays task was to get a longer screw for the mount, and some rings. $9.75 later between walmart and home depot, I had what I needed. Here's the rough draft:



Its ugly as all get out, blued receiver, rusted barrel, black rings, green scope. Beat up stock with a crack on the other side. Also, the barrel is too long.

My nest steps are as such:

1. shoot it. make sure it works right with the optic.

2. refinish....dont get mad at me, but its a nearly valueless rifle and its butt ugly. I will probably enamel the metal on the rifle, either in a satin black or charcoal gray like parkerizing and repaint the scope, POTENTIALLY OD green to match the scope, or potentially a light gray to appear like a bead blasted stainless such as is shown on my ruger. So, sorry, i know "refinishing" devalues, but if this is a field rifle, i'd rather not have it be completely exposed raw steel...and plus...like i said, its uglier than sin.

3. Sling and swivels. Any field rifle needs a shooting sling. I already had swivels in bound from numrich, so just need to add a sling.

4. barrel lenght........will most likely stay the same. I dont have it in me to hack saw ans recrown at home, nor do I want to spend the money on a professional cut job. So the rifle will remain "unhacked" in order to make up for painting it.

6. stock repair. A few tiny screws and a dremel should make short work of the existing crack. I am going to keep the raw wood finish.

7. maybe. MAYBE sourcing a rear aperture sight, that would allow use of the irons if the scope was removed.


Anyway....i'll update as this progresses, but there you have it. the beginning of a very non-traditional mossberg build and revitalization!!!!

I'm sorry if I offend the purists, but this mossy has a somewhat special place in my heart, and I think it's the right choise to get it into a condition where I can use and enjoy it to its fullest!

Stay tuned for more...but also feel free to berate me for my unorthodox intentions as well



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Okay. Crappy rainy day here in NV, so I hopped in the wagoneer and headed off into the desert behind my house. Windy. Wet. Gray. crappy conditions and I forgot my phone so no pics.

I set up targets at 50 25 yards. And got zeroed. Waking aroung at about 45 yards I was hitting a 8" gong 99% of the time, offhand. That'll do.

The rifle has SOME issues with ejection (not extraction) in that it'll occasionally hang on to the extracted casing and require a finger flick. I may source a new trigger mount/ejector thingy to see if that's part of the reason. It looks worn a little, but not enough to cause an issue. maybe I have an overzealous extractor that doesn't like to let go.

Anyway....

I got home and was bored. Broke the rifle down and cleaned it. Then realized I had a can of high temp enamel in the garage. I did a test spray on a random thing i had laying around, then decided i really like the color, almost like parkerizing, and shot the whole barreled action.

Reassembled Wow, what a difference!!!!!


Added scope base:


and put the optic back on.



I actually dont hate the green any more. Maybe I will maybe i wont paint it, i really dont mind it with the matte charcoal color of the rifle.


So, now just awaiting the swivels for a sling and then it;ll be close to done unless i decide to send it off to have it chopped. Which I might. :-)
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Okay. Crappy rainy day here in NV, so I hopped in the wagoneer and headed off into the desert behind my house. Windy. Wet. Gray. crappy conditions and I forgot my phone so no pics.

I set up targets at 50 25 yards. And got zeroed. Waking aroung at about 45 yards I was hitting a 8" gong 99% of the time, offhand. That'll do.

The rifle has SOME issues with ejection (not extraction) in that it'll occasionally hang on to the extracted casing and require a finger flick. I may source a new trigger mount/ejector thingy to see if that's part of the reason. It looks worn a little, but not enough to cause an issue. maybe I have an overzealous extractor that doesn't like to let go.

Anyway....

I got home and was bored. Broke the rifle down and cleaned it. Then realized I had a can of high temp enamel in the garage. I did a test spray on a random thing i had laying around, then decided i really like the color, almost like parkerizing, and shot the whole barreled action.

Reassembled Wow, what a difference!!!!!


Added scope base:


and put the optic back on.



I actually dont hate the green any more. Maybe I will maybe i wont paint it, i really dont mind it with the matte charcoal color of the rifle.


So, now just awaiting the swivels for a sling and then it;ll be close to done unless i decide to send it off to have it chopped. Which I might. :-)
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Neat project. I like what I'm seeing
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Neat project. I like what I'm seeing
Thanks. So far, I'm digging it. I need to sort out the ejection issues, but when I was walking around shooting it, it was exactly what i need/want for practice.


This week I will hopefully get the stock repaired, and may consider refinishing it with new stain and BLO.

Also, hoping to get the sling mounts sorted out as well, if they arrive soon.
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Why not use the cartridge adapters that have been sold in gun mags for all 40 plus years I have read gun magazine. I see the company I am talking about has adapters to use 32 acpin 308 and an adapter 30-06 to the same. They also have 22 lr adapters for 223/556 and several othe neat ones like 7.65 luger in 308 oand 30-06.
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Well, honestly, I hadnt really thought about it. However, here are the reasons after looking at the products in question.

Reasons:

1. Because those are single shot adapters to the best of my knowledge, and do not allow feeding from a magazine. they have to be loctited into the chamber, then single fed. The adapters are only reusable if you are "careful." even if this is reversible, its a pretty big undertaking to install and remove, it cant be done on a whim so you cant readily switch calibers.

2. .32acp seems to be the smallest caliber for a .308 adapter, and that costs more to buy than 5.56, so not exactly saving a ton of money.

3. Even if they fed from a magazine, getting enough of them to load 2 magazines would end up costing a few hundred bucks, vs. my $9 investment in this free rifle. If you really wanna get down to it, the scope and the mount, which were purchased for other projects cost $50 and $20 respectively, so my total investment is $79, but I don't count it that way since i already had all that stuff laying around. Still would cost way more to get either 10 or 20 adapters to run in 2 5 or 10 round mags :-)

4. using a camber adapter in my rifle wouldnt give me an excuse to breath new life into this otherwise worthless part of my collection. a worthless part of my collection that with the exception of not having the forward mounted rail prior to my modification fits precisely the same manual of arms as my GSR. :-D

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Cool project and the perfect rifle to get creative on. I like where you're going on this. I do think it would look better cut down to match the Scout. The cutting, facing and crowning would not be hard at all but you do need the tools. More challenging would be installing a new front sight. Perhaps when you have it all together and are happy with the outcome performance-wise you could ask around at some of your local gunsmiths and see what it would cost. Might be worth it if it's not too much $$.
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I've been offered, by a capable person, to have the barrel cut down and crowned if I remove it and pay shipping both ways.

I would appreciate the shorter barre;, but as mentioned it would need a new dovetail cut to mount a ramp front sight. The sights are one of the most expensive parts on these files.

A period correct No.1A front ramp sight would be $25-30 on ebay, and a No.4 receiver sight would be about $50 on ebay, could be less if sourced in parts though (buy a receiver sight body missing aperture, source aperture separate, etc.)

it's definitely something to consider and with the shorter barrel and receiver sights it would really be a dang handy rifle. But....with the theme of the thing, i'm not sure how I'd feel about another $100 or so of investment.

Annnnnnnd if I'm having all that done, I would likely get another mounting hole drilled as well for the scope base since its only held in with a single screw.
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Well that's how these things often spin out. What starts out as a cheap DIY project can easily become a custom thing with $100s invested. Been there, done that. Maybe you can scrounge up the parts over time and when you have all the parts you want go ahead and have the work done. Kinda string out so it doesn't feel like so much $$ at once. Regardless it's a cool project and got me thinking about a "Cub Scout" for my Scout...
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Well that's how these things often spin out. What starts out as a cheap DIY project can easily become a custom thing with $100s invested. Been there, done that. Maybe you can scrounge up the parts over time and when you have all the parts you want go ahead and have the work done. Kinda string out so it doesn't feel like so much $$ at once. Regardless it's a cool project and got me thinking about a "Cub Scout" for my Scout...
I wish i had the skills or knew somebody locally with the skills to help me out.

but anyway.

If you want to do a cub scout, the closest thing i could figure was a CZ 452 scout.

1. Purchase CZ452 scout. $300
2. Purchase the same taurus mount that I have, but good luck, they're hard to come by used. $25
3. purchase a rear aperture sight of your choice. Tech sights makes a nice ghost ring and front sight combo. $75?
4. purchase the front sight base for the scout that is made to go with receiver sights (been out of stock on cz's website for months). $15
5. Add a sling. $25?

blam. cub scout.

Butttttttt that'll cost like $450. before shipping tax background etc.

Something similar could be done with a ruger american rimfire youth model, but I dont remember why I didnt want to go that route. maybe there wasn't a good way to mount a forward rail to it.

I researched this alot, then fell into this $9 project lol.
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Cool project. Fix the crack and shoot it. I'd definitely go for a cut & crown for the price of postage. How much could a local 'smith charge to drill and tap a second mount hole. It will really be a sweet rifle then. Of course you will then want a better trigger and just think how good it would look with the fore-end slimmed down a little...
Have fun with your project!
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Neato. I like it!
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Cool project. Fix the crack and shoot it. I'd definitely go for a cut & crown for the price of postage. How much could a local 'smith charge to drill and tap a second mount hole. It will really be a sweet rifle then. Of course you will then want a better trigger and just think how good it would look with the fore-end slimmed down a little...
Have fun with your project!
Stop putting ideas in my head! Lol!!
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So, rifle is disassembled and i pulled the receiver mounting stud which is alwso what retains the barrel. The gun is now soaking with PB blaster. I will try to remove the barrel from the receiver using a wooden dowel and mallet in the coming days. if it comes out without too much struggle, I'll send it off for a cut, crown, and to have 2 holes drilled and tapped.

if not, i'll rock it as is.
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