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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:33 PM   #16
 
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Myself, if that didn't solve the problem and apparently it didn't, from what you describe, I'd suspect an alignment/timing issue. There are ways to check this, but it might be worth your time to have a local gunsmith or someone familiar with these issues, at least, to take a look before having to send it back to S&W.
Then the question becomes why didn't S&W look at the timing issue when they had it? (They may have, but they made no note of doing so.) Timing was the first thing that came to mind when I originally found this leading problem. If it's not aligned just right then a bullet will scrape the forcing cone and a bit of lead will be shaved off to spray all over the top strap, frame, cylinder face, and forcing cone.

How does one fine a good local gunsmith? If anybody knows one in the Milwaukee area please contact me. Not a bad idea, though frustrating to ask a gunsmith to tell me if they can provide a list of problems my S&W revolver has. Problems that S&W should have caught before it ever left the factory, and then should have caught when it came back to them for warranty service.

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I had a 617 back in the mid 90s, before S&W went with the lock on their guns and I have to say that the trigger on that 617 was about as sweet as a trigger can be on a revolver. Some of the new 617s I have seen, though, have been, well, an embarrassment, by comparison, at least for a S&W. If I can find an earlier 617, I'm bringing it home, though.
Since you mention the lock ("Hillary Hole" I believe it's called) does that have an effect on the trigger? I have no idea how the lock works, other than it's a stupid thing nobody has ever used to secure any gun.

In what way are the new triggers an embarrassment? The only negative thing I can say about the 617 trigger is it's really heavy. Though you have infinitely more experience with different triggers than I do. My only basis for comparison is a GP100 made in 2008 and a S&W Model 10 from 1967 -- the triggers on both are quite nice and feel the same to me despite being different brands separated by 40 years.

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Don't give up on the 617. It is the ultimate mid-frame sized DA 22 revolver still in production. If you can get this issue solved, you will have as good as it currently gets in a DA 22 revolver. They really are terrific guns. Hang in, there.
I'm hoping I can get it resolved. If I got it working, I could then move onto putting a red dot on it. This is one area where S&W revolvers manage to beat Ruger: they're drilled & tapped under the rear sight. I bought the 4" version so it would weigh less figuring that weight would be added by optics. And with optics the extra sight radius provided by the 6" barrel becomes a moot point.



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ahhh ... the 617 and the leading issues. I picked up one of these a couple years ago (latest model, 617-6 with dreaded lock and all the MIM parts and such). I too shoot mostly CCI blazer through mine. Mine also leaves copious lead deposits on the top strap and around the forcing cone.

My approach to the solution might not be appealing to some, but it works for me. I have noticed, first of all, that the leading is mainly only an issue with the Blazer ammo. Blazer ammo is hella dirty, in every gun I've shot it out of. It also shoots very accurately out of all the guns I've used it in, with little or no duds, so I keep using it. I then use a lead removal cloth or a brass brush to clean the area around the forcing cone. that's it. If I don't want it to lead, I pay more for ammo and use Mini Mags.

I really don't think the leading problem has anything to do with cylinder alignment in mine, just because it is an extremely accurate gun ... especially with that dirty Blazer ammo. I think if it was shooting poor groups, I wouldn't be nearly as tolerant of the leading.

BTW, I think the SA trigger on the 617 is excellent, no creep and about 4 lbs out of the box. NOT as good as the trigger on my older K-22, but still hands-down better than any Ruger trigger I've dealt with out of the box. The DA pull, OTOH, is definitely too heavy.
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I have an MK III Standard that has turned into a nightmare. I was toying with the idea of selling it at a loss (fully disclosing the problems I've had with it) and putting that money toward a S&W 617 instead. Not after reading this thread.

People on this forum always talk about how great Ruger's customer service dept. is. Seems to me that it *has* to be, because if it wasn't, it'd likely mean the death of the company. I own two Rugers, both of which were purchased new within the last five years, and both of which have been back to the factory--one of them twice. And yes, Ruger's customer service dept. has been easy to deal with. But I would rather be in the position of not knowing if their customer service dept. was good, bad, or indifferent.

It's kind of a bummer of a time to be a firearms enthusiast.

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Just saw a used 617 - late model with a lock - in the store, this week and, oh boy, I was ready to grab the credit card. Then I tested the trigger - heavy with noticeable creep and roughness. I couldn't believe it. This was not the S&W I've always known.

Next to it was an old S&W Model 34 with a 4" barrel - a small frame 22 LR similar in size to an SP101 22LR. It had a trigger made in heaven, same as my old pre-lock Model 617. That's what I expect from a S&W. No, I let it go because I can't shoot open sights worth a darn, anymore, but, oh my, want a sweet little DA!

Now for my rant for the day.

I am sick and tired of some newer shooters who keep mouthing nonsense about a 22 DA revolver needing to have a crummy trigger for the sake of ignition. That's bull. Maybe it's because they've never had the chance to shoot a 22 DA with a great trigger, given that it's hard to find current DA 22s with good triggers. Those of us who have been around since the dark ages know, better, though. The reason we don't get consistently good triggers from Ruger and S&W on DA 22s, anymore, is a matter of cost, yes, but also a matter of catering to lawyers more than their customers. Shame on them.

Rant, over.
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We're talking about where it will bind so much that the hammer can't be cocked and it's sometimes difficult to even force the cylinder open
This statement caught my attention. It's EXACTLY how my Single Nine behaved right out of the box. Loaded without even having been fired. I sent it back and now have it back and it is very smooth. They replaced the cylinder.
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But I worry too that quality control may be suffering. How can a revolver that doesn't revolve even leave the factory? A shooter that doesn't shoot? When I first loaded my nine and it bound up horribly I thought In was holding something from the land of misfit toys.
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I am equally mystified when I hear such things, but, make no mistake, quality control is a matter of costs. Looks like Ruger's recent goal to turn out a gazillion guns in record time is catching up with them. Us, too.
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My three .22 revolvers (2 Bearcats, one LCR) tend to get a narrow line of lead under the topstrap, but I usually run about 200 rounds thru one at a time. I can pop it loose (carefully!) with the edge of a pocket knife. I still use a lead remover cloth, as it cleans everything off nicely.
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