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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:31 PM   #1
 
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Any Bud's Gun Shop Things to Know?

On my "Mail" page of my computer I have folders for companies that I'm actively doing business with and have an open order with. I have a tool bar folder called "Dad's Stuff" which has links to the various businesses I routinely do business with. In this one you'd find links to things like Davidson's, Lipsey's, Impact Guns, Brownells, Able's Ammo, Bud's Gun Shop, etc. And in my other remaining folder I have current wish list items and as time, money, and plans change, so does this folder. It currently has swelled up a bit due to my upcoming receipt of a Sig Sauer Stainless Railed 1911. Once I make purchases off the wish list, I cross them out, and when I finally get the product, I erase their folder in my email account. Their business may still be in my business links, but the other two the'll be gone.

One of the business I've dealt with has Been Bud's Gun Shop. Currently they're in all three of my folders. I continue to do some business with them (first folder), I have an open order and that item is in my current folders, and I have a mail folder for correspondence from them about my order.

You may have read a post I had about doing a layaway with Bud's for a ported SS Springfield 45. The last time that that model had been made was in 2004, nine years ago yet Bud's was collecting money for the gun. It took numerous emails and contacts with Springfield for them to ever admit that maybe they made a mistake. (they still acted like I was the problem and not the fact that the gun was unavailable).

I figured that anyone could have a mistake so on I went with yet another layaway order from them. This one was not without its difficulties either including an argument about the gun's price. (I ended up having to send them more money than originally thought because of it). So after being goosed an extra 100 bucks, all the money has been paid and I'm just waiting to get it.

Buying a handgun in California is a big deal. You not only have to find a gun that has a current listing on California's Firearms Safety Roster, You have to find that very same gun being offered for sale from a company that is willing to do ANY business with California. (some choose not to just to make life easy). Then you have the problem of fighting with everyone else in the country for availability (being in the right place at the right time). Well it ends up that I was able to get signed up for a very nice Sig Sauer Stainless Railed 1911 from Bud's on their second chance from me. As mentioned we had a problem with price (going up in other words) and I finally decided not to fight and eat it paying Bud's more than I thought I would have to. It was all done with one trade in pistol and cash via an e-check through their site.

I don't know if you've done e-checks before, but basically you give the business your routing and checking account number and Bud's then takes money from that account and it is akin to passing them cash (ie. no processing fees). Trouble is, they always take the money out of my account immediately when I sent it. If it's late in the day, it might take till the following day for it to come out but certainly within 24 hours the money is gone.

Now where exactly is that money? It's out of my account, but.... Is it still floating in the air? How come Bud's acts like they don't have it. When I buy groceries from Wal-Mart and use my debit card it happens in an instant. I transfer, they receive, all in the same second. Same as Pay Pal. A guy wants to buy stuff I have for sale and he sends me money. The very same second he sends it, I can spend away immediately. So how is it that Bud's claims that the money floats in the air for 6 days or more before they get it? Somethings up here.

Then after they finally recognize the money they've had for a week, they then say it takes another week to "Handle and process" your order. Then after that they take another week in shipping before one ever sees the gun that they've ordered.

Take a look at Davidson's. I make a deposit there and the gun ships the very next day. No 6 day money floating issue. No 6 day handling and processing, and they usually ship 2 if not 1 day air for their handguns. I've found the same prompt service with Lipsey's and with Impact Guns. Ables takes a few days, but not the month that Bud's takes. So what gives? Anyone else have thoughts on them? Smithy.



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Old January 2nd, 2013, 12:48 AM   #2
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An e-check is a paperless check. It still has to clear the bank. I can understand the wait there for up to 5 days, even though it cleared my bank the business could conceivably have it returned to them after a few days just like a paper check if it bounces.
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Thumbs down Buds Gun Shop

First of all I do not believe an echeck can BOUNCE as you say. At lease in my case the money is withdrawn drawn from my account RIGHT NOW.

I have only purchased one thing from Buds and I will never again. I wrote them an unfavorable feedback on Gunbroker because they failed to respond to my winning bid for over a week even though I had already made payment to them. They claimed that the problem was in my mail server although I received hundreds of messages during the same time frame including from Gunbroker. They immediately gave me a ZERO feedback on GB and banned me from any future purchases as a result even though they were in the wrong. Not one week after receiving my gun two weeks later than originally promised BUDS sent me an email that I should check out their gun specials and to please buy again.......

Not me folks....

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Thanks Golfbuddy45, I'm so glad to hear that it wasn't just me. People are known not by words, but by their actions/or lack of action. So this is "How" Bud's does business? No thank you. After I get my gun, I will respectibely go another direction and not do business with Bud's ever again. (yes it was/is that bad). I'll stick with the companies that have given me nothing but perfect service, like Impact Guns, Davidson's, Lipsey's, Midway, and Brownells. That's a good start of companies to get me gun(s) and the gear to go with them. Sincerely, Smithy.

P.S. forgot to ad Optic's Planet. Good prices and fairly quick on shipping.
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I recently purchased two guns from Bud's. I used the e-check option and love it! I wouldn't do it any other way. I wish that more dealers on gun broker would take them. It cleared in 18 hours or so, way faster than sending in a check and waiting for it to clear. My FFL had the gun in 4 days. It was missing the factory box and when I called them, they next day air shipped it to my home. I told them that it was not necessary, but they did it anyway. I had it on my porch when I got home from work the next day.
You can't beat that kind of service as far as I'm concerned.
I would not hesitate to buy from them again, I constantly look for my "next gun" from them.
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Hi Ceapea,
Did you have to ask your Local Gun Store if they would accept a Shipment of a Firearm from Bud's first ?
Some local gun shops in my area would rather try to sell you something they have in stock rather then accepting merchandise from the outside.

I do see that Bud does not have much in the way of AR's left after the Conn. incident.

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:44 PM   #7
 
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I'm glad to hear that some folks have had better than crappy luck with Bud's. I've just not seen that as yet. And 18 hours is a lot better than my week +. It was that that I didn't understand. If the money is out of my account then it has to be somewhere. I suspect that when it comes out of my account that it's immediately put into Bud's account, they just don't feel a need to tell anyone that they have it. Every other and I mean EVERY one of the on line transactions I have done have happened immediately. There is NO purgatory for money electronically. Would some suggest that it disappears for a week until magically it reappears mysteriously one week later? Hogwash!! Just like going to an ATM machine. You punch in that you'd like a twenty and before the machine spits out your 20 dollar bill, the 20 is subtracted from your selected account. Ie. it happens immediately.

I remember in my pre-Christian days when I held an FFL, I'd come up with several "excuses" as to why a guy's gun was not in. "Shipping delay's", "Wrong part number or UPC", "Out of stock", "Will be sent in a week's time". Yes I have heard and given just about every one of them so it doesn't supprise me that Bud's is going down that very same road. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull$**t. Seen it, done it, and it's just plain wrong and bad business practice.

I have an Alaskan in 44 mag. I sent it off to Mag-Na-Port for porting and their logo. Did a home brew action job with Wolff springs. Put on a HiViz front blade and a Rugged Country steel rear sight and then sent it off to a known cowboy/SASS type of engraver. He first called me asking what engraving I was thinking about (including my signature), full coverage, and filling out the frame even though some of his engraving would be covered by whatever grips I happened to choose. He told me to hang on till the 17th of the following month and give him another call. That's when he gave me the address to ship my gun into. He also told me that full coverage might take him a weeks worth of work, and he may/may not be able to get to it within a months time, but at least he'd have the gun in his hand so he may/may not work a bit on it every weekend if he had time and to not expect a definite completion date. That I understood and accepted. Turned out to take 5 weeks time and it was/is a sight to behold.
Same with some various custom dulcimer's I've commissioned builder to make. One example is a never been made by the builder ever before double neck, custom shape, custom tuning, and custom woods, type of dulcimer. Since I designed the instrument and selected the woods, we ended up having several email's back and forth including phone calls regarding the build. Some stuff could not be done with the woods I had selected an he also had different ideas on which way could more efficiently be built and kept in tune. Long story short, that instrument from first contact to me holding the completed instrument a full year. I didn't mind that either because I knew the effort that he had to put into it and design changes along the way. But Bud's has no real pressing reason to daudle the lengths of time that they do other than increased interest on my money and promptness not being very important to the company.

That's why if I want to buy a gun I'll first check with my LGS and dealer for it, then I'll look everywhere before I again rely upon Bud's Gun Shop. Their prices are not that much better than anyone else. And besides for me it is worth paying a little extra to get my gun when I order it and not two months later (if I'm lucky). Smithy.
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I made one and only ONE purchase from Bud's. It was a Browning shotgun advertised for $799.99. I didn't use the E-Check method but rather my credit card. When I picked up the shotgun from my FFL 23 days later, I found that in addition to the 3% CC fee they also charged my card 899.99! I wasn't happy at all! Two other younger fellas at the club asked where I got it from and laughed when I responded with Buds Gun Shop, they said they heard similar horror stories about Buds! Anyhow, I called them that very instant and the cust serv rep actually gave me an attitude! I was put on hold for several minutes and then told that the price had gone up the very same day that I purchased it but that they would refund the extra 100 dollars to my card anyway, and the way that he said it sounded like he was doing me a favor! It took another two weeks to see that credit on my statement. Needless to say, I haven't purchased any other firearms from them even though they advertise some decent deals from time to time. I now look at Tombstone Tactical, Davidsons, I love Gun Genie, and my favorite local gun shop here in Ct, Hoffmans guns for the good guys. At our gun club we are fortunate enough to have our own FFL dealer as one of our club members, when something new comes out he pins a note up on the corkboard and you just print your name on the space provided if you want one, the price lowers with each name added. I got my Springfield XDs-45 through him, six others got in on that deal and the price went under $500.00! I rarely buy elsewhere now! As far as Buds, they won't see my business again.
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Dozer02, you have just pretty much described what had happened to me. I was told that their prices can change every 20 minutes so it's up to me to insure that I get the best Bud's price. Well I did and the price I found ended up to be your same 100 bucks more. It's like the sales rep wanted to take his crew out to dinner and did so by goosing their customer's. I guess that they think that our memory is in the two to two and a half years old. Wrong!! Years ago (my very first brand new vehicle purchase) and yes they probably saw me coming. I paid over what I should have, they substituted a cheaper bumper than I had paid for and I got suckered into a "undercoating" that I was charged double for. Thinking that it being my first, that I would not be able to read the contract and see the double charge.

In my case since it was a layaway item. I can either eat the additional 100 bucks or fight it. But if I fight it I may very well end up with a canceled order and then get tagged a 20 percent "restocking" fee. Their ads say that it would only be a 10 percent "restocking" fee, but they gouge that area as well. As it turns out, I guess I can't complain because now, the gun selected cannot be found anywhere. A bunch of "Out of Stock" everywhere and the prices shown for it when it is back in stock show and increase of $450.00 and that's everywhere including Davidson's, Lipsey's, and other places I'm more comfortable in dealing with. So cheap prices allow Bud's to lie, go very slow, and try to railroad your order so that you'd cancel it and loose 20 percent of your money. One heck of a way to do business if you ask me. Smithy.
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Don't worry Smithy! They won't stay in business very long with their "cutthroat" buisiness practices, only a matter of time now. We're not the only ones complaining about them, check out some of the other firearm forums, seems to be a "Buds" complaint thread on just about every one!
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Never had a problem with Buds. I have sent them a money order, a personal check, and used the echeck feature. They explain up front how it will go, and it has gone that way every time.
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Isn't it fun how forums can make every company in the world look terrible!!! Admit it, you will troll thru forums to get the info that you are looking for on ANY possible retailer that you may buy from and will see something negative no matter what. You have to take the bad with the good and there are soooo many of us that use this forum to vent that there is going to be someone that has an issue with "said" company.

I myself searched forums about Bud's, saw the good and the bad and the hardest thing for me to swallow was waiting the 5 days for my check to clear their bank after it cleared mine. Lucky?? Maybe but we are so quick jump on the negative and take someone down it seems.

All in all, I do feel for all of the issues that people seem to have and think it sucks.

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Bought the last surviving 351PD for my wife from the owner of Bud's. She made sure that the payment arrived, and offered shipping overnight if I wanted it. All was done while I was still on the phone.
I received the gun in six days, and it was everything I expected.
I am not going to try and defend anyone or their business, but I had a very positive experience with them. Tom in Lebanon, Oregon
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I myself searched forums about Bud's, saw the good and the bad and the hardest thing for me to swallow was waiting the 5 days for my check to clear their bank after it cleared mine. Lucky?? Maybe but we are so quick jump on the negative and take someone down it seems.
Even a PAPER check written to my local Wal-Mart comes not as a paper instrument, but as an electronic bank transfer from my account to their's. Same with Chevron and a number of other institutions that I deal with on a regular basis. That is exactly why I KNOW that when Bud's runs the transaction and the money come's out of my account that it immediately goes into their account, period!! No waiting to clear or anything. The "5 days to clear" is a misnomer or basically BS and not true. So the only thing left to understand is that Bud's is piling on the BS to allow them more time and increased interest on a transaction that otherwise would be an instantaneous one. If I did the e-check to Bud's and did not have the money to cover, I would not have 5 clearing days to rush down to the bank to make my check good. No, in fact it would bounce right then and there. Bud's is claiming a situation with transactions that is more than ten years old. Get with the times Bud's and others because everyone else knows how things happen. Smithy.
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Even a PAPER check written to my local Wal-Mart comes not as a paper instrument, but as an electronic bank transfer from my account to their's. Same with Chevron and a number of other institutions that I deal with on a regular basis. That is exactly why I KNOW that when Bud's runs the transaction and the money come's out of my account that it immediately goes into their account, period!! No waiting to clear or anything. The "5 days to clear" is a misnomer or basically BS and not true. So the only thing left to understand is that Bud's is piling on the BS to allow them more time and increased interest on a transaction that otherwise would be an instantaneous one. If I did the e-check to Bud's and did not have the money to cover, I would not have 5 clearing days to rush down to the bank to make my check good. No, in fact it would bounce right then and there. Bud's is claiming a situation with transactions that is more than ten years old. Get with the times Bud's and others because everyone else knows how things happen. Smithy.

I didn't have an issue with the waiting period with my check as I was just doing an e-check to save a few bucks. Next time I will just use a credit card. I feel that if people are still writing paper checks they need to get with the times as that is wearing out fast with debit/credit cards tied to our bank accounts.

And c'mon, you really believe that this is a stunt to collect a whopping 5 days worth of interest? I doubt it.


BTW, don't wan't to make this more than what it is either, just playin a little devils advocate.

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