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Old April 27th, 2017, 06:39 PM   #1
 
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It all started with a Ruger SBH 3.75 Bisley in December of last year.

I so looked forward to the Bisley 44;non-fluted cylinder,shorter barrel,a compliment to my 2006 SBH 5.5 and Flat Top 4 5/8.

The SBH ended up with Badger grips which made the gun quite comfortable.The Flat Top Plow Handle also comfortable with Buffalo Bore "Heavy" load.
All in fact was well,but the tug for Another One would not go away with the Talo SBH 3.75 Bisley offering.

I so looked forward to the Bisley frame...and sadly discovered,for me,the Bisley frame was as bad as the SBH plow handle before Badger grip revision. Knuckle buster,the open space behind the trigger. A surprise considering the promotions of Bisley for hard recoiling single actions.
"Gun Fighter" grip replacement of no help. Maybe low hold hold/pinky under....hey,wait! Way too different than the Badger grip habits developed over years.

A fine gun (Other than stiff load gate),the Bisley was recently traded for a S&W 69.Curiosity about double action quick followup/double tap,maybe something with barrel long enough for tail ramble hunt etc. General curiosity,and probably way too much internet reading......

Like the SBH,the 69 benefits from grip upgrade.When I ordered the 69 my gun shop attempted to order the S&W 500 grip,found was back-ordered,so the shop robbed a grip off of an in stock 500.

So now I have a S&W 69.Gun buddies that have reviewed it have not been receptive to the sleeved barrel. And frankly,neither am I. Possibly borders on some kind of vanity. I completely accept sleeved barrel on my LCR,but on this piece,for some reason,not so much.
Oh sure,benefits as to "accuracy" and "weight" but at what point is ever further "Accuracy" and an ounce margin needed? As I ruminate over the 69 I can only wonder if in fact,at this point in 2017 and the firearms manufacturers are faced with challenge of delivering product with barrel/sights properly aligned,and could the sleeve barrel be a key reason for it's existence?

And the cylinder latch ball detent. This gun would no doubt not 'wear out' in my lifetime,but the 69 was cause for comparing the cylinder latch on my SP101 's.

I can see the attraction of the 69 but for me a double wham- the 69 does not really offer a clear substitute for the SBH, Flat Top and SP101,enhanced trail defense needs might be better served with say,SR 45.I have not yet shot the 69 and may not....that's a first in five decades of gun ownership and use that includes fondness for S&W 686 Snub and J Frames.

I simply went the S&W 69 route because Ruger does not yet offer a truly five shot 44 Mag SA or DA New Model alternative.




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model 69 is heavy enough to shoot comfortable but light enough to carry hunting easily.
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I had force cone issues with my 69. I noticed force cone erosion around 250 rounds after I was cleaning it. I sent it back in to Smith and they said it was normal wear and tear. The erosion is small but its there and its beginning. I'm pretty much done with them. Their large N frames are much better quality though.

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I think that is the intent. Woods gun. Could carry concealed in winter.

I would like a real stout 44 special, and this could be it. I have been eye balling these for awhile. Was ready once, that big bill came up.

I like the L frame.

As for cylinder latch, I think my SP101s is crude compared to S&W and Charter Arms.


The forcing cone is really thick. That is a concern on 696, real or imagined, I do not know.


Now you got to add holster to cost $$. I'd probably get another Simply Rugged. Though he has gone up. But still with in market prices. PLus lots more models now.
The 69 force cone is thick but ive had issues with mine.
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In my state I can conceal carry anywhere and open carry in unincorporated and rural areas. For a while I was concealing carrying my Alaskan out in the woods and then I realized how asanine it was so I started to just open carry in the strong arm position.
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I own both the S&W 69, and the new Ruger GP-100 44 special. I like my Model 69 and it has been one of my favorite .44 Revolvers to Shoot. I load it down to .44 Special velocity for Range Shooting, but it can fire full .44mag loads as a Hunting companion to my Ruger 77/44. I have been told that the 2 piece Barrel contributes to it's accuracy, and I tend to believe it since the 69 is one of the most accurate 44s that I have ever fired. I wish that I could say the same about the GP44 which dosen't come close to the 69s accuracy with the same loads. The RugerGP44 is a fine Revolver aside from not shooting as tight as the 69 and I have full intentions of keeping it.

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The M69 I had was accurate and comfortable to shoot with 240gr magnum loads. I thought the factory grips were great. I had absolutely no issues with it, but sold it to my best friend. I still get to shoot it frequently. The OP is doing himself no favors by selling his off unfired. The S&W Mod69 is a good revolver.
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I have heard that the S&W Model 69 has a two piece barrel so is it a sleeved barrel into the outer barrel/shroud?? I really like the lines of the Ruger GP 44 & the sights maybe the 5 inch barreled GP 44 would be more accurate. I am thinking that the S&W L frame must be a tad beefier then the Ruger GP 100 frame. Otherwise Ruger would have brought the GP100 out in a .44 Magnum.
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Never read a forcing cone problem at S&W forum. Not saying there.

You read complaints on assembly or such here and there, but the people who have it, really like it.
I believe that the S&W 696 had a thin Forcing Cone that caused cracking in some guns. The Forcing Cone in the M69 is thicker.
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To be specific with my 69.. it had damaged rifling from the factory. I noticed it after cleaning when it only had less than 100 rounds. I sent it into Smith and they fixed for free.. much like Ruger does. They have excellent costumer service as well. But one time I was cleaning it and noticed erosion on the top part of the forcing cone. I only run standard pressure factory ammo through it. I sent it back a second time and they didn't do anything with it. Just said it was normal wear and tear. The erosion is small but its there.

The concept of the 5 shot 44 magnum is an excellent idea though.

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It all started with a Ruger SBH 3.75 Bisley in December of last year.

I so looked forward to the Bisley 44;non-fluted cylinder,shorter barrel,a compliment to my 2006 SBH 5.5 and Flat Top 4 5/8.

The SBH ended up with Badger grips which made the gun quite comfortable.The Flat Top Plow Handle also comfortable with Buffalo Bore "Heavy" load.
All in fact was well,but the tug for Another One would not go away with the Talo SBH 3.75 Bisley offering.

I so looked forward to the Bisley frame...and sadly discovered,for me,the Bisley frame was as bad as the SBH plow handle before Badger grip revision. Knuckle buster,the open space behind the trigger. A surprise considering the promotions of Bisley for hard recoiling single actions.
"Gun Fighter" grip replacement of no help. Maybe low hold hold/pinky under....hey,wait! Way too different than the Badger grip habits developed over years.

A fine gun (Other than stiff load gate),the Bisley was recently traded for a S&W 69.Curiosity about double action quick followup/double tap,maybe something with barrel long enough for tail ramble hunt etc. General curiosity,and probably way too much internet reading......

Like the SBH,the 69 benefits from grip upgrade.When I ordered the 69 my gun shop attempted to order the S&W 500 grip,found was back-ordered,so the shop robbed a grip off of an in stock 500.

So now I have a S&W 69.Gun buddies that have reviewed it have not been receptive to the sleeved barrel. And frankly,neither am I. Possibly borders on some kind of vanity. I completely accept sleeved barrel on my LCR,but on this piece,for some reason,not so much.
Oh sure,benefits as to "accuracy" and "weight" but at what point is ever further "Accuracy" and an ounce margin needed? As I ruminate over the 69 I can only wonder if in fact,at this point in 2017 and the firearms manufacturers are faced with challenge of delivering product with barrel/sights properly aligned,and could the sleeve barrel be a key reason for it's existence?

And the cylinder latch ball detent. This gun would no doubt not 'wear out' in my lifetime,but the 69 was cause for comparing the cylinder latch on my SP101 's.

I can see the attraction of the 69 but for me a double wham- the 69 does not really offer a clear substitute for the SBH, Flat Top and SP101,enhanced trail defense needs might be better served with say,SR 45.I have not yet shot the 69 and may not....that's a first in five decades of gun ownership and use that includes fondness for S&W 686 Snub and J Frames.

I simply went the S&W 69 route because Ruger does not yet offer a truly five shot 44 Mag SA or DA New Model alternative.
green with envy after watching the Hickok45 youtube video. call it revolver envy, only known cure is to find one for myself.
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The OP is doing himself no favors by selling his off unfired. The S&W Mod69 is a good revolver.
Thank you ngasgooter and others- I have reconsidered.
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