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Old April 22nd, 2017, 09:20 AM   #1
 
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A good friend at work has gotten me into the milsurp 9mm kick. I shot his Hi Power and immediately became obsessed.

He had picked up this STAR Super B last year. We shot it at a range recently and it had the same extraction issues many of these pistols experience. My buddy was going to sell it, but I told him we could easily take it apart and check it out.

Anyhow, the other day, he comes in and says "I've got something for you. It's not the Browning, but i think you'll like it."

He gave me the Super B, 4 mags, an IWB holster and gun rug. I was flabbergasted, but he was sure.

So, I've been scouring the net to learn all I can about it. I was actually able to find a new extractor online and am waiting for it to come in, but I may try some other tricks, too.

Anyhow, i do have a couple questions...

First, there are two sets of numbers on this pistol. There is a 5-digit number on the right side, stamped twice...once on the frame and directly above it on the slide. The second number is on the left side of the frame, just below the slide release.

From what I've seen in my research, I think that the left-side number is the actual serial number of the pistol. The right-side number is a "rack number" that indicates the slide is matched to the frame.

Can anyone confirm I am correct on this?

There's a "72" stamped just ahead of the trigger guard, which matches up with the proof mark under the grip to indicate it mas made in 1972.

My other question is whether the grip panels for a Super A will fit a Super B. I think that the frames are the same, it's just that the calibers are different. The reason I ask is that I've got my eye on a set of grips for a Super A that would look nice on this "Spanish lady".

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I have the exact same pistol, right down to the 1972 manufacture date. I'm not sure about the serial number but my guess would be the right side number that is duplicated on the slide is the actual serial number. That would match the convention of other European pistols.

I think the holes in the grip panels are in slightly different locations or the A vs. B models but I can't confirm this.

They are OUTSTANDING values and far better than many people realize.

Mine required a bit of work to get it up to 100% but it was just time invested and no additional money. The Star Super B is one of the best SA 9mm pistols you'll find for the money. Mine shoots on par with a my H&K P7M8 and maybe just a tad better.

A little trivia, the Star pistols were often used as Hollywood prop guns. The Star was used as a stand in for the 1911 because it looks like a 1911 but will function with 9mm blanks. The 45ACP 1911 pistols were reported to be problematic when blanks were used. If you ever watch the movie "Untouchables, take note of the pistol carried by Kevin Costner. It's a Star Super B !


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Old April 22nd, 2017, 10:09 AM   #3
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Great gift. Looks like a fun shooter for sure!
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Can't be sure if it is the case here, but some of the European mil-surp pistols get a new serial number added to them when imported into the US. I have a couple that were done that way.
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To find the year you need to go by the proof marks. My Super A was proofed in 1947.

Also make sure you have a Super B, measure how deep the chamber is. If it is .91 inches you have a A, and this could be your extraction issue.

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Walkingwolf brings up a good point, it could be a Super A (9mm Largo).

The difference between the A and B models is the chambering. The A is chambered in 9mm Largo and the B is chambered in 9mm Luger. The easiest way to measure the chamber is to disassemble the gun and drop a 9mm Luger cartridge into the chamber. Make sure the barrel is clean. If the case head sits flush with the barrel hood, it's chambered in 9mm Luger.
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The 9mm Luger is 9 x 19mm and the Largo is 9 x 23 mm.

The frames are sometimes marked on the heel but that's not an absolute because it could still have Largo barrel installed.

With all of that being said, the OP's pistol appears identical to my Super B, including the "72" stamp on the trigger guard that corresponds to the proofmark under the grip that also indicates a 1972 manufacture date.

The OP's pistol appears to be a Super B.
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Nice gun.Just check to see if the firing pin is long enough to hit a primer if dropped with a loaded chamber and no safety on. Many Spanish pistols did not have a strong rebound spring on the firing pin and could go off if dropped with a loaded chamber. The best way to test is with a primed cartridge but no powder or bullet. Or if you find 9 mm blacks they will work. Just observe safety anyway.
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Getting back after a couple days off the forums...

It is a Super B, as the 9x19 cases fit just right and it's marked "B Super" on the heel.

Now the update...extractor came in and it looks like it needs a little fitting. I installed it (needed to expand the pin hole a bit) and it's even worse than the original. It appears that the hole was bored off a bit. So, since I didn't pay much for it, I'll do a little work to "move" the hole slightly and also make it a little skinnier so the claw extends deeper into the receiver area to grab the case rim.

I'll post some pics and an update.

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GONRA believes the 6 digit "extra nr." on Spanish pistol frames/butts
is some kinda Spanish government property/inventory nr.
They go up with the date of manfacture.

Am SURE they have nothing to do with import houses.
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GONRA believes the 6 digit "extra nr." on Spanish pistol frames/butts
is some kinda Spanish government property/inventory nr.
They go up with the date of manfacture.j

Am SURE they have nothing to do with import houses.
My research is agreeing with you. At any rate, the number on the 4473 is the one that is in both the slide and frame.

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One of the local gun shops had a Super B in the case today. It looked good. If it is still there in a couple of weeks, I may give it a lot more thought.
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One of the local gun shops had a Super B in the case today. It looked good. If it is still there in a couple of weeks, I may give it a lot more thought.
If the owner lets you, do this test...

Take a SPENT 9mm case with you and chamber it fully.

Feel along the extractor and see if it protrudes from th side of the slide. If so, that's a good sign.

Then, slowly pull the slide back. If the case is extracts all the way back to the ejector, the extractor and spring are OK. If the case falls down into the mag well, it may be worn extractor or weak spring.

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My research is agreeing with you. At any rate, the number on the 4473 is the one that is in both the slide and frame.

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I'm confident that the number on the right side of the frame that is duplicated on the slide is the serial number. And if they don't match, the one on the frame trumps.
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One of the local gun shops had a Super B in the case today. It looked good. If it is still there in a couple of weeks, I may give it a lot more thought.
Mine needed a little bit of work to get it up to speed but I've been very happy with it.
I don't care for the magazine safety but it's not a deal breaker. I've been very pleased with the accuracy and functioning of the pistol.
If you're in the market for a SA 9mm pistol, I would jump on it. The Super B is a good value.
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If the owner lets you, do this test...

Take a SPENT 9mm case with you and chamber it fully.

Feel along the extractor and see if it protrudes from th side of the slide. If so, that's a good sign.

Then, slowly pull the slide back. If the case is extracts all the way back to the ejector, the extractor and spring are OK. If the case falls down into the mag well, it may be worn extractor or weak spring.

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I will keep that in mind if it is still there in a few weeks.


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Mine needed a little bit of work to get it up to speed but I've been very happy with it.
I don't care for the magazine safety but it's not a deal breaker. I've been very pleased with the accuracy and functioning of the pistol.
If you're in the market for a SA 9mm pistol, I would jump on it. The Super B is a good value.
It looked to be in good shape and has a good trigger feel. I have a couple of GunBroker items I am watching/bidding on, so until those end, I am not going to make any plans for the Star.
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