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Old April 21st, 2017, 07:39 PM   #1
 
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Interesting Pistol... I think I want it!

Ok, so a few days ago I got to wondering why we don't see a semi-auto chambered in .22 Mag. To me, it would appear to be the perfect round for a person who is recoil adverse, but still deliver enough punch to make it a viable option for self defense. So, like I usually do when one of these stray thoughts come on me, I went to gunbroker.com to see what there was to see. There were a few that were way over my budget, some High-Standard deringers, and a ton of Kel-Tec PMR-30's. I'm not interested in a Deringer, and I'm not willing to drop a grand on a brand that I have not heard of. That left me with the Kel-Tec.



The first thing that grabbed my attention was the fat grip. Damn, it would take a man-hand to get a good grip on that thing (IMHO). Reading some of the bullet-points of the gun, the thing that made me sit up and pay attention was the 30 round capacity.

30??!!!

That lead me to youtube.com to check on reviews. Thankfully, Hickock45 has a review from back in 2012.



He made some good points about the gun that made me more interested in getting one. I then checked out some more reviews and came away with a grumble in my belly that usually means that I want it.

But... Damn! It's a freakin' Kel-Tec!

Have any of you shot this gun? What did you think?




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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:34 PM   #2
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I like the way you think.

I wish they make a 1911 in 22 mag
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I bought my last KT, their lifetime warranty sux big time. They try to find every excuse to not repair your firearm on their dime. I have to wash my mouth out everytime I mention their name it leaves such a bad aftertaste.
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I know a guy who owns one and he loves it, especially the 30 round capacity. I got to handle it and overall it's a neat gun but felt awkward in my hands. It's unlike anything else I've ever felt. The grip handle is slim and somewhat blocky. It takes some shooting to get use to. If you can find one at a fair price, go for it. Me? I prefer shooting 22 mag out of my Single Six revolver.
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I don't understand why the preppers are not hoarding the 22 ma as much as 22LR. Afraid to spend to much on the end of the world?
Several of the reviews that I read pegged the gun as a perfect bug-out-bag item.
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I like the way you think.

I wish they make a 1911 in 22 mag
A 1911 would be very interesting! I sure would like to know why none of the big boys (Ruger, Smith, etc) appear to be steering clear of the .22 mag in a semi-auto.
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Those things are really neat. They've got a nearly "cult" following with some of the guys at our club range. One fella has 3 of them. I don't own one, and can't afford to deviate from my present "collecting" direction. But I just recently shot one at our out-door range. A real hoot to shoot ; reliable, accurate, LOUD, and quite a conversation piece
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I've been looking for one of those since they were announced six or seven years ago and have yet to see one come through any of the local shops. I did see a CMR once (carbine version of the PMR) but didn't have the money at the time and it disappeared very quickly. Haven't seen another since.
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I meant to add that I feel lucky that they haven't been available. 22 WMR just doesn't exist around here so I'd have nothing to feed it. Heck, the local shops are only just now getting reliable LR supplies. I'm hoarding what little WMR I have until supplies improve.
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A 1911 would be very interesting! I sure would like to know why none of the big boys (Ruger, Smith, etc) appear to be steering clear of the .22 mag in a semi-auto.
Ive sent a few emails to manufacturers several years back on that exact question. Their answers were basically the same. Ruger was one of the MFG's I emailed.

The 22 mag round has some inherent problems when it comes to making an automatic.

1#. The casing length. Long cartridges are hard to get to run properly in a semi. Its really tricky to get them to feed right. To shallow a feed ramp and the bolt will scar the brass. To steep a feed ramp and it can actually bend the brass. Either condition will cause it to jam.

2#. 22 mag casing generally dont have tight enough tolerances. The thin walls and high powder charge also tend to expand the casings in an uneven manner, making them fail to extract.

Ive notice that alot. Some empty brass will fall out while others are tight to extract.

When keltec first came out with this pistol back about 2009, a friend of mine bought one. It was a jammomatic on any ammo we tried. So bad, he got rid of it after a few months.
I dont know if they got it fixed since then?

I love the 22 mag, and own several revolvers and rifles. I have been using that cartridge ALOT sine the early 1970's. Last year we shot over 2000 rounds of 22 mag. I have shot just about every critter PA has at one time or another, including putting down cows and pigs for butcher. The 22 mag is a very nasty little round to get shot with. It has better penetration than a 38 and causes very nasty wound channels. It will also blow right through most kevlar. The 22 mag is also extremely accurate at long range in low wind conditions.
I shoot a CZ 455 varmint at ranges of 200 to 250 yards all the time.
We also shoot 6.5 barrel Ruger and Heritage revolvers @ 100 + yards alot.
My wife has the LCR 22 mag and its a dandy little pocket rocket.

If that Keltec pistol will run, it should be a dandy.

Good luck.

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Only the 10 round mag is legal in NJ so that takes out a lot of the fun. Actually New Jersey has a 15 round mag limit but none made in that capacity.
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Keltec's CMR-30 looks interesting. Keltec is ok- but everytime I get one, I'm uninspired by the build quality and I sell it. I just don't like their polymer.
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One thing I noticed about Hickoks Video.
He was using CCI hollow points.
I use mostly all CCI ammo.

One thing Ive noticed, and I have never got an answer as to why. But hollow points in the 22 mag tend to spin to the left at ranges over 50 yards. The farther out you go, the more left they spin. In my CZ 455, they consistently hit left about 6 inches @ 200 yards.

Hickok was shooting the gong @ 100 and hitting mostly to the left.

CCI TMJ, ( total metal jacket) are deadly accurate at 200 + yards and DONT spin left at all. They are the most accurate long range 22 mag Ive found. Its what I use for varmint hunting. In fact, anything over 50 yards, I just dont use hollow points. Its been my experience they are not as accurate as TMJ solids.

Thats a good video. Keltec seems to have figured it out. Im all a sudden kinda interested in that pistol again.
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Keltec's CMR-30 looks interesting. Keltec is ok- but everytime I get one, I'm uninspired by the build quality and I sell it. I just don't like their polymer.
I can kinda relate to that Neon. . I dont own any polymere's. I like hammer fired metal.
The good side, Hickok says it has a pretty good trigger.
The bad side, $500 for a polymere pistol seems pretty steep.
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They are pretty hard to find up here in MN. They were in very high demand back in 2011/2012, and I haven't seen one since. I have heard of them selling for $600-700, but I believe the MSRP is only like $399. People like them up here because they will pretty much deter any wildlife up here with the exception of moose. That, and 30 rounds is nice. But if I were limited to 10 rounds, I would just carry a centerfire semi-auto firearm.
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