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This is a discussion on SA's ruger vs cimarron within the Pistols & Revolvers forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; Originally Posted by gqucool North country gal I have a Ruger Vaquero Bisley Stainless Steel 5.5 .357 that I totally luv this gun the action ...


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Old April 18th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #16
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North country gal I have a Ruger Vaquero Bisley Stainless Steel 5.5 .357 that I totally luv this gun the action etc. Mine is not a New Model but the old larger Vaquero. I have a Uberti 1873 Winchester Lever Action in .357 Magnum a short rifle the one thats in my Avatar pic. The color case hardening finish and deep bluing on the barrel I do agree that the fit and finish on my rifle is beautiful. The other SAA revolver thats in my avatar pic is my Pietta 1873 SAA in .22LR/.22Mag 10 shot with either cylinder I bought this at Cabela's the bluing is very deep and beautiful. I have to say I like the one piece wood grips. Question for you are Pietta & Uberti separate companies or are they together?? I really have a yearning to pick up either the Uberti Cattleman, Cimarron P , or Pietta 1873 SAA in a 4-5/8 or 5.5 inch barrel .357 in the color cased hardening. One of these would really go nice with my rifle........yea I know gun nut itus !!! One thing I had read on the Cimarron the rear sight channel is suppose to be made wider easier for older eye's to see?? Anyway I would appreciate your vast knowledge and feed back thank you!!!
gqucool, Uberti and Pietta are separate companies, but they come from the same area of Italy. Cimarron originally started with Uberti and, at the time, Uberti was the more durable gun, but Cimarron now works with Pietta and Pietta has definitely upped their game. Now a pretty darn good gun, though Uberti still has the better rep with the cowboy action crowd. Based on what I've experienced with my Cimarron/Pietta, I'd have no hesitation buying another one.

Yes, the gutter sight on the Frontier is very easy to see. Probably a factor in how well it shoots for me. From the factory, sights were it regulated, perfectly, for standard 357 loads. Since I will be shooting mostly 38s, though, filed the front sight down a bit, since it was shooting low with the 38s. About right, now, using a six 'o'clock hold, here. Very sweet shooter with the 38s. (Top hole is a 22 LR from hubby's gun. )



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I have them all, Ruger New Vaquero, Uberti's and Pietta's and they all are great for what they do. The poster just needs to start some place because he will eventually end up with many others.

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Hi all, been reading the forum for some time and just now decided to participate instead of lurk.

I bought an Uberti / Cimarron open top in .45 Colt a few months back. Beautiful gun, loads of fun, but it shoots 4 to 5 inches high at 10 yards using handloads. There's no way to adjust the sights short of using a file (not an option) and I haven't had the time to play with the load. I've read elsewhere that the Army specified that the originals be minute-of-war pony at 50 yards and to expect them to shoot high at closer ranges so I can live with it as is.

That purchase lead to a Blackhawk (.45 Colt) and now I have a birdshead Vaquero on the way (also .45 Colt). So like someone else said, buying SA's is like eating potato chips. Beware.
If you "use a file" it will shoot even higher. I use the 6 o'clock hold, even lower by how much of the front sight I can see, along with 200 gr bullets, and get closer to bullseye (at 50 feet).
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Yes, the gutter sight on the Frontier is very easy to see. Probably a factor in how well it shoots for me. From the factory, sights were it regulated, perfectly, for standard 357 loads. Since I will be shooting mostly 38s, though, filed the front sight down a bit, since it was shooting low with the 38s. About right, now, using a six 'o'clock hold, here. Very sweet shooter with the 38s.
Awe you wrecked your pistol by filing the front sight.
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If memory serves......

You move the rear sight in the direction you want your hits to move:
Shooting HIGH = move rear sight DOWN.
Shooting LOW = move rear sight UP.

If that is correct then filing DOWN the FRONT sight should only be done if you're hitting HIGH and do not have an adjustable rear sight!

Am I correct or am I having a senior moment here?


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If memory serves......

You move the rear sight in the direction you want your hits to move:
Shooting HIGH = move rear sight DOWN.
Shooting LOW = move rear sight UP.

If that is correct then filing DOWN the FRONT sight should only be done if you're hitting HIGH and do not have an adjustable rear sight!

Am I correct or am I having a senior moment here?

Sorry, not correct. The front sight always works opposite the rear sight. Lowering the rear sight lowers point of impact; lowering the front sight raises point of impact. Or think of it as filing down (lowering) the front sight as raising the muzzle and hence the point of impact. It's the most common way to raise the point of impact for a fixed sight SA that shoots low with a given load. If you have an SA with a fixed sight that shoots high, filing down the front sight will make it worse. Can be confusing, at first, so be careful before you grab a file.

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Sorry, not correct. The front sight always works opposite the rear sight. Filing down (lowering) the front sight raises the muzzle and hence the point of impact. It's the most common way to raise the point of impact for a fixed sight SA that shoots low with a given load. If you have an SA with a fixed sight that shoots high, filing down the front sight will make it worse. Can be confusing, at first, so be careful before you grab a file.
Dadgummit!!! I had it all a$$ backerds! LOL

Thanks for setting me straight Gal...
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If you "use a file" it will shoot even higher. I use the 6 o'clock hold, even lower by how much of the front sight I can see, along with 200 gr bullets, and get closer to bullseye (at 50 feet).
I didn't mean to file the front sight. The rear sight on the open top is just a v-notch in top of the hammer, so if you file that notch deeper it will lower the muzzle and the POI. It would also put a blemish in the case hardened finish and open it up to rust, so I'll leave it as is.
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