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Smith vs. Ruger prices

I've been shopping around for a used .357 double action revolver. Not surprisingly, older Smith & Wesson revolvers generally command higher prices than do similar Ruger revolvers. What does surprise me a little is how much more the Smiths bring.

Older pinned and recessed Model 19's apparently have 24 carat gold plating underneath the bluing on them. Meanwhile, nice Security Six revolvers can be found priced as though they're made from pot metal. In general, a nice Ruger revolver can be had for about half what you'd have to pay for an equivalent Smith & Wesson.

I'm not going near an argument about which is better. Give me a choice between a nice Smith & Wesson and an equally nice Ruger for the same price, and I'm pretty sure I'd choose the Smith.

But is a Smith & Wesson twice as good as a Ruger revolver? Not a chance.



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They are both nice I have both, biggest issue is finding either in nice condition priced under $500.00
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I like them both,so I guess if I was shopping around I'd go with Smith &Wesson if I was looking for a 3", 4" or 5", barrel.Only because I don't have a Smith & Wesson in that barrel length and do have that in Ruger.. For close to equal price.
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I always felt earlier S&W revolvers were better guns I own several and they run really well. A 19 combat magnum is hard to find in 80+ shape , look for a 66.
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I always felt earlier S&W revolvers were better guns I own several and they run really well. A 19 combat magnum is hard to find in 80+ shape , look for a 66.
Stores around here tend to have quite a few showy looking 19's for sale, but they tend to be $800+.
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I would take an older ruger over a using gun over an old smith.
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I would say just the opposite of the comments by the Op but I completely understand the OP's statement.

Years ago when the Ruger Six series DA revolvers were in production; you could find used Ruger Security-Six / Service-Six / Speed-Six revolvers in gun shops without much trouble. The used DA Rugers were always priced lower than their used S&W counterparts in the same glass display case. Knowledgeable gun people would pick up the Rugers at a discount and have a very serviceable revolver.
.......THEN the Ruger Six series went out of production (late 1980's). Sometime after they went out of production, they stopped showing up in the used gun market. Then the Rugers started commanding higher prices.

The Ruger Six series DA revolvers were outstanding 38/357 DA revolvers but they didn't have the brand recognition when they were in production. The prices of good Six series Rugers have increased and they are no longer the bargains they once were but they are still good values.
The S&W market is a little more complex. a pinned and recessed S&W K-frame with 99% finish, factory stocks and the box is ALWAYS going to command a higher price than a Ruger Service-Six. However, a beat up S&W Model 13 dash 3 is probably never going to be the same gun as a decent Ruger Service -Six. You have to know what you're looking at. If you're not comparing apples to apples its a sellers market.

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Model 66

I love my Rugers. I had a Smith and Wesson M66 Stainless combat Magnum years ago and sold it off when I had kids....stupid, stupid, stupid. I regret that very much. I loved that 6 gun. I agree with you that though S&W are very nice guns, I cannot figure out why they are so expensive...especially with the reputation that Ruger is developing these days. One upon a time I think many just saw Smith and Wesson as the 'brand to have'...and much like a solid pair of jeans that makes a difference. Wranglers sell for $25 bucks or less and are long wearing tough jeans...but lot's of folks want the designer jeans for $75 a pair. That might not be the perfect analogy, but you get the drift. I look at revolvers similar to the one I had years ago...but can't let loose of my wallet for that much of a hit.
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I will just say this. I have never seen a Ruger out of time. Never. I have seen many Smiths out of time. Nuff said.
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The best used 357's for the money go to the Ruger Six series. In my opinion they're better built than most of the standard GP100 and 686 guns today.
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I see the price disparity too in my area, but its not quite twice the price as the OP describes. Used GP100s can be found in the $500-600 range where a 686 might fetch up to $800 in good condition. Used Redhawks and Super Redhawks for $600-800 where a 629 Smith might run $700-900.
Model 19s are a mystery unto themselves. I've seen prices all over the map on these from $500-1,200. Most vendors seem to think they're magical unicorns and their asking prices reflect it.
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I see the price disparity too in my area, but its not quite twice the price as the OP describes. Used GP100s can be found in the $500-600 range where a 686 might fetch up to $800 in good condition. Used Redhawks and Super Redhawks for $600-800 where a 629 Smith might run $700-900.
Model 19s are a mystery unto themselves. I've seen prices all over the map on these from $500-1,200. Most vendors seem to think they're magical unicorns and their asking prices reflect it.
I agree when it comes to newer guns. The used GP100's I see seem to cost almost as much as used Smith & Wessons. In fact, used GP100's tend to cost almost as much and brand new ones.
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I agree when it comes to newer guns. The used GP100's I see seem to cost almost as much as used Smith & Wessons. In fact, used GP100's tend to cost almost as much and brand new ones.
/\ asking prices or what they actually sell for?

There are people out there that will pay whatever price is on the gun. And as long as those people are paying those ridiculous prices the gun shops will continue to ask those prices. I can't blame the gun shops for that - it's just good business.

People are weird when it comes to buying guns. They seem to have some feeling of urgency. They will also settle for something merely because it's in the display case even if it's NOT what they really want.

Just because someone lists a high price doesn't mean the item is worth that price. I've seen gun shop employees tell ignorant customers that a 2nd generation Glock 17 is rare and that $450 is "The going price" for that type of gun. The buyers don't want to look stupid and they buy the gun at that price (which makes them look stupid).

I rarely buy new guns. Sometimes I pay a premium for a particular used gun but only when I have a specific reason to do so. Most of the guns I buy are used and I know how much I will pay for the gun long before I actually acquire the gun.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER buy a gun on pure impulse. Decide exactly what you want before you start looking. Only buy the specific gun you want and only at or below the price you set for yourself. You'll be much happier in the end.
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NEVER, NEVER, NEVER buy a gun on pure impulse. Decide exactly what you want before you start looking. Only buy the specific gun you want and only at or below the price you set for yourself. You'll be much happier in the end.
Aww come on... impulse buying is the funnest kind

I've bought many a gun I didn't even know I needed until I saw it. I don't regret buying any of them..... except for a Model 19... ironically
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What I've seen at my LGS

686's seem to be about $650, while the equivalent GP100 $550- $600, maybe less if blued. There are currently two blued GP'S, 4" and 6". The 4" has fiber optic sights. $499 for the 6", $550 the newer. I'm not sure how the shop sets prices. I've picked up some nice guns for well under average market price, while nearly the same gun comes in a week later for more. Could be some consignors tell the shop what amount they want out of it. There used to be a shop which had prices to the penny, like $347.26, etc. I think they back calculated those based on what the seller wanted out of it. But, back to the topic, Rugers do run less. I bought a nice Redhawk for much less than a 29. Not as classy but no slouch.

On the Sixes, I'm not sure why they bring so much. I've seen them priced equally with used GP's. What's funny to me are Smith 19's. Used to be every gun mag writer preached against a steady diet of magnums in those. Now it's like the guns have magically grown some extra steel.
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