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This is a discussion on Smith vs. Ruger prices within the Pistols & Revolvers forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; As Waveform and Petrol & Powder mentioned there's a bigger community of S&W collectors than there are Ruger collectors. When I say 'collector' I mean ...


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Old April 9th, 2017, 11:35 AM   #31
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As Waveform and Petrol & Powder mentioned there's a bigger community of S&W collectors than there are Ruger collectors. When I say 'collector' I mean in the sense they want to acquire them as commodities and not as guns that will be used for hunting, self defense or the range.

Whenever you see an ad for a used S&W you always see reference to pinned and recessed or no lock. New S&W's have attributes that are undesirable to collectors whereas Rugers haven't changed much over the years. A new 2017 GP100 is almost exactly the same as a new 1985 GP100 was.

The reason Security Sixes command a small premium is there's a finite supply. Same with Model 19's. There's also a human tendency to remember things from back in the day as being better than similar new ones. Some times they are, some times they aren't.

Here in KY I see Security Sixes for sale all the time in the $400 range. Most of them look to be in pretty decent condition. Older Smiths on the other hand are ridiculously priced IMO. They may be worth it to collectors but there's no way I'm paying $800+ for a run of the mill 357 revolver just because it doesn't have a lock.



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I also have both S&W and Ruger revolvers. I shoot them all in rotation and really can't offer an opinion has to who makes a ''better'' firearm. Here in California it is way easier to find quality used Rugers than it is to find the same in a Smith and Wesson. It took me two years of really searching to find my S&W 617-0 and my 686-0 both of which have 8-3/8'' barrels. Of course I paid north of $800 for each of them. However when I recently bought a really nice Ruger Blackhawk chambered in .45LC/.45ACP it was $580. What I always recommend to people is that they try models they are interested in at a gun range first. Then decide how much you are willing to spend.
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I always felt earlier S&W revolvers were better guns.
Smoother. I have always thought of Rugers as working man's guns.

I was surprised when looking for 38 snubbie, the LCR was 25 or so more than airweight J frame. I went with the J frame cause it was smaller.

I do like how rugers have the locks under the grips I am told. I do have S&W luck. I toss and turn when it comes to them. I realize technology advances, and models come out you want. I boycotted them when they made the Clinton deal.
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I'm from Kentucky too Bonk! For me, older pre-lock Smiths especially p&R blued and nickeled ones just have something special. They're an elegant classy weapon. They have that mystique but also attention to craftsmanship, quality, fit, and workmanship. Just can't beat them. I know, I had a Model 19 once. Something special! Rugers are excellent guns, no frills, well built, and workhorses! I like both for different reasons. I love and appreciate old Smiths, and have been on the lookout for a nice one at a decent price lately. However, I think many of them are extremely over priced. Ridiculously over priced in fact. I can understand a very nice 44mag Model 29 7.5" being high, but I would never ever pay 800 or 900 bucks for any gun, no matter how nice it was. Awhile back I saw a nice looking blued 44 mag p&r in 4" at Bud's and they had it at 999.99. Crazy. That said, given their quality and well deserved reputation, I do think pre-lock Smiths warrant selling for more, just not as crazy high as I've seen them.

If I saw a very nice pre-lock Smith vs a new Ruger or older Ruger, I'll buy the Smith every time, if it's a good price. Hands down. However, those can be hard to find, and sometimes frustratingly so.

Now when it comes to a new Ruger vs a new Smith, I'm more in favor of Ruger. Because Rugers are built so well and tough that they are just huge value and bang for your buck. If I buy a 357 magnum, I want to be able to shoot magnums and not worry the gun will not be able to handle it, I worrry a bit that some new Smiths are a bit less tough than Rugers for magnums, which is what I would shoot for self defense. Also because I just detest the lock on the new Smiths, and the overall quality just isn't there on them compared to some of the new Rugers. I love the SP101 because it is well made and a very practical self defense weapon. And I know I could shoot magnums out of it all I wanted and the gun will take it. It's a great gun. The only new Smiths I would consider are the smaller ones with no locks. I've handled a 642 and 442 and they aren't bad at all. Great for concealed carry. I'd buy one of those. But for a more every day, I'd go with the sp in 3 inch.

There are still things about Ruger DA I don't like either, wish they would make their GP100 and sp with full grip handles and not those tang grips, I don't like that at all. But for shooting 357 magnums all day long you can't beat a new Ruger. Smiths will still have the best resale value, just the way it is. But if you are needing a good gun for reliable protection and value and toughness the Rugers are great. It's all about what you want and luck too.

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Than there is cast vs forged steel debate.
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What is interesting about S&W is the dashes, and the differences between them. Don't see that in other brands.
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I recently handled a new Smith Model 69 44 magnum at a gun store. It was nicer in person than I had thought, but it was, well odd..Compared to the older Smiths. It had this odd matte/brushed stainless finish and had this weird generic look to it..no character. No feeling of substance at all. I liked the tapered barrel on it, and the action was very nice. But the feel and overall appearance was cheapish. Compared to a new SP101 the SP101 has a nice weight and the steel is extremely high quality not that weird brushed appearance. I don't know if there's any real difference any more of the forged vs cast steel thing, I definitely think the older Smiths like my old Model 19 you could tell it was like a cadillac, finely crafted. But the new Model 69 I handled had a very cheap feel to it, the steel finish looked very cheapish. Compared to the new rugers like the sp the finish is among the best and most substantive I see on any revolvers out there.
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It depends on which model, my PC 625 has the brushed satin finish. The JM 625 has the matte finish. You can also polish it yourself, or send it out for a professional polish. A green scotch brite followed the the very fine will make it look like the brushed finish from the factory.

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I recently handled a new Smith Model 69 44 magnum at a gun store. It was nicer in person than I had thought, but it was, well odd..Compared to the older Smiths. It had this odd matte/brushed stainless finish and had this weird generic look to it..no character. No feeling of substance at all. I liked the tapered barrel on it, and the action was very nice. But the feel and overall appearance was cheapish. Compared to a new SP101 the SP101 has a nice weight and the steel is extremely high quality not that weird brushed appearance. I don't know if there's any real difference any more of the forged vs cast steel thing, I definitely think the older Smiths like my old Model 19 you could tell it was like a cadillac, finely crafted. But the new Model 69 I handled had a very cheap feel to it, the steel finish looked very cheapish. Compared to the new rugers like the sp the finish is among the best and most substantive I see on any revolvers out there.
I don't know. I am trying to decide between a 629-5 and the 69. I like the feel of the L frame.

I haven't handled a new SP101. But my 2000, has somewhat soured me on Rugers. It is not smooth. Sure it is heavy, for what that means. But the cylinder release just seems crude compared to S&W or even Charter Arms. Grip panel screw is rough too. Granted this was 17 years ago maybe they got better.

Dealer ended up giving me a new one, cause first time I shot the shells got stuck in it. They tried cleaning the cylinder, but didn't help. Just gave me another. That was a heck of a dealer. Most would send it back to Ruger, and it would be your problem I would guess.

I have thought often about getting rid of my sp101. But it is 357, and I bought a simply rugged holster for it.


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It is still all about market segmentation. In the revolver market, you have Colt, S&W and Ruger. That market segmentation and pricing has been in place ever since Ruger got into the double action revolver market. Colt has always been the higher priced revolver, followed by S&W and Ruger.

In recent years, this line has been blurred somewhat by politics, business conditions, design and materials advances. Couple this with plastic framed pistol technology and 9mm Fan Boy guns (i.e. Glocks) and it gets even more complicated.

Some market factors still hold true. Design integrity, robustness of design, form, fit and function still pretty much determines price and desirability of ownership. This is reflected in my own collection of revolvers? I own fewer but desire more Colts, particularly SAA's, limited because of cost. I own more S&W revolvers because of 55+ years of experience with their product, workmanship, lower cost, good finish, workmanship and design integrity. I use but own fewer Ruger's, because until recently, they did not compete with S&W double action revolvers for quality, finish and workmanship.

These markets presently are pretty dynamic and management is evolving rapidly at all three companies. It will be interesting to do this comparison again 15 years from now?
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......But is a Smith & Wesson twice as good as a Ruger revolver? Not a chance.
1976 Gun Digest show a S&W M13, blue, for $120 and the Police SS 107 for $130. I remember that used prices for Rugers have always been less than for comparable S&W revolvers but lately the gap has widened, as did MSRP for new guns.

The gap in between the Colt Python and a S&W M19 has also widened and there are obviously other factors to the price than sheer utility value. My Korth isn't twice as "good" as my Python but it costs always a whole lot more for a little bit of high end and the pre-lock S&W revolvers have an advantage in the trigger characteristics that PPC shooters explored decades ago.
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I recently handled a new Smith Model 69 44 magnum at a gun store. It was nicer in person than I had thought, but it was, well odd..Compared to the older Smiths. It had this odd matte/brushed stainless finish and had this weird generic look to it..no character. No feeling of substance at all. I liked the tapered barrel on it, and the action was very nice. But the feel and overall appearance was cheapish. Compared to a new SP101 the SP101 has a nice weight and the steel is extremely high quality not that weird brushed appearance. I don't know if there's any real difference any more of the forged vs cast steel thing, I definitely think the older Smiths like my old Model 19 you could tell it was like a cadillac, finely crafted. But the new Model 69 I handled had a very cheap feel to it, the steel finish looked very cheapish. Compared to the new rugers like the sp the finish is among the best and most substantive I see on any revolvers out there.
Ruger has always had the same gun quality wise. Smith has been changing and the old employees say its not the same company quality wise. If it isn't a custom shop gun I wont buy a S&W, Ruger gets the nod.
Now if CZ ramps up the Dan Wesson line in 20-30 year we would have a different conversation.
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