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Old April 28th, 2017, 01:47 AM   #61
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That's funny. As in ridiculous funny. The guy at a gun store we visited yesterday pretty much said the same thing, only he took it a step further, and informed me that a 380 MAY NOT be able to penetrate Carhartt denim. I'll ask you the same question I asked him "And you know this to be true how?" I had stopped at the store so I could have my recoil sensitive wife hold and feel an LC380, to see if it would be something she would feel comfortable using as a defensive weapon. She actually didn't care for it and prefers the LCR in .22WMR that she currently uses. Either firearm used by someone who is confident in their shooting ability will be just as deadly as any larger caliber hand cannon.

The sad part of this story is that this idiot is employed by a large gun store and he's doling out misinformation to people who trust that he knows what he is talking about.
Seems to me, the idiot is the one asking clerks at big gun stores for advice. In this case maybe the clerk actually knew more than customer now handling out advice on the internet. I suggest you do some real research. Yes, if a 22.magnum is the only firearm she can handle, then fine, but sure is not anything I would ever use otherwise. And by the way, a LC380 is relatively mild. A lot of women choose them and have no problem. But still if she cannot handle it, of course the 22.mag. And I guess if you cannot handle a 22.mag, then go down to a 22.lr. then to a pellet gun.



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To me, 10 yards (30 feet) is a big distance, and not a typical defensive engagement distance for civilian CCW. I consider arms-length out to around 15-20 ft to be the distance 'to shoot for' with pocket gun practice and deployment.

DITTO-a "pocket/purse/vest" pistol, whether .380, .32, .25, or .22 is not made to take on a threat from 30 feet. Shooting should be practiced and mastered ( as in a pie plate-sized target-double action, free hand, rapid fire) at not more than 5 yards. The idea is too build confidence and competence in you and your pistol

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I tried that website. Here's a ballistic comparison of the 380 up against the 38 special (the same one that has been knocking bad guys down for decades)

Showing bullet type, grain, muzzle energy, velocity

38 Special LRN 158 200 755
380 Auto LRN 95 190 951

I'd venture to say...the 380 holds the edge.
Buffalo Bore's 38 Spl 158 gr LSWC/GC +P's chrony 1037 FPS in my 2 1/4" SP which gives 377 ft/# energy and a momentum of 23. The puny .380 load you mentioned provides 180 ft/# of energy not 190 and and a momentum of 12 which means it may get thru a heavy shirt and cause a nasty welt. The LRN 38 load you mentioned has a momentum calculation of 17 which is 40% greater than the 380 load.
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Buffalo Bore's 38 Spl 158 gr LSWC/GC +P's chrony 1037 FPS in my 2 1/4" SP which gives 377 ft/# energy and a momentum of 23. The puny .380 load you mentioned provides 180 ft/# of energy not 190 and and a momentum of 12 which means it may get thru a heavy shirt and cause a nasty welt. The LRN 38 load you mentioned has a momentum calculation of 17 which is 40% greater than the 380 load.
Agree, and I was just going to mention the same. The 380 is what it is and I only carry one that is a secondary, and this is easy to do with a "True" Pocket Pistol and one that is rated to shoot Plus P. However, if I were to carry a 38, it would definitely be Plus P ammo.

Below is a example of someone very familiar with Pocket guns and has done a lot of testing. And I share his same feeling on the 380 and have moved to the 9mm. I also own and shoot the same revolver. In fact, It has become a favorite and just plain fun to shoot.

Pocket Guns and Gear: Search results for lcr 9mm
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Lol, I noticed you did not compare the 380 to the 9mm. If you want to believe the 380 has the terminal performance of 9mm, then I would have to say get in the real world. Really too ridiculous to even address this nonsense.
Ha ha.... you're kind of reminding me of that fella from the store. I don't recall even mentioning the 9mm. Simply stated, the 380 is a respectable contender in a defensive scenario. As someone has already said "any gun is better than no gun at all." I'll say no more to you on this matter.
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True pocket pistol with proven performance and a reliable defensive round P938
If you can go a little bigger, many of the compact pistols today feature a 2nd magazine that is extended to give a full grip (SR9C, SR40C, RAPC, XDS, M&P Shield). Not the same as a full size, but close. Personally, I say buy each gun for its own use. Nothing wrong with having more than one.
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Ha ha.... you're kind of reminding me of that fella from the store. I don't recall even mentioning the 9mm. Simply stated, the 380 is a respectable contender in a defensive scenario. As someone has already said "any gun is better than no gun at all." I'll say no more to you on this matter.
Compared to what? There are many respectable folks that have done quite a bit of Ballistics testing of the 380 cartridge. Most of us know very well who I am referring to. You seem very smug with your comments against Big Store clerks. I have no dog in this fight with them. I also understand that they are not experts, and they making a living with small wages. I don't ask them for technical advice. I ask general questions, like "do you have this in stock" etc. I detest the bully, know it all, that wants to prove his superior knowledge and find a way to embarrass the clerk, then get on the internet and bash the guy and call him names because he did not have as much wisdom and knowledge of firearms like himself. Give them a break, if they give you bad advice, just smile. Don't show your own insecurity by trying to knock the guy down.
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I know this is a Ruger forum, and I love my SP101, but I wouldn't carry it, or anything else in my pocket. Just me. But if a person pocket carries, I tend to think you can't go wrong with the Sig P290RS. I have one and it's my main ccw tool. It's light, accurate as all get out, and very easily concealed. I would think DAO would be a prime objective for pocket carry.
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Can't say how many which caliber is best thread I have seen in my 9 1/2 years here but can safely say none have accomplished much. Carry what you are comfortable with and most of all carry something.
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Can't say how many which caliber is best thread I have seen in my 9 1/2 years here but can safely say none have accomplished much. Carry what you are comfortable with and most of all carry something.
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Too many people put their eggs in this "knock down power" basket, and fail to realize that:
1. Any caliber with a well placed shot has the chance to get the job done
2. Any caliber with a poorly placed shot or a miss has the chance to fail
3. The goal is to stop an attacker from hurting you; lethal force is not always necessary
4. Most defensive pistol uses end with the knowledge that you are armed
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I'm one of those illiterate guys who carry a 380 in my pocket. I live in Florida in shorts and a tee or golf shirt. A 380 is what I can conceal in my pocket and carry every waking hour. Is it the mostest bestest heck know! If I could carry it concealed and comfortably I would carry my Glock 21! I have yet to hear anyone say more than once, oh your carrying a 380, we'll go ahead and shoot me! No one wants to leak! A 380 in your pocket is better than a 500 S&W at home!


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Can't say how many which caliber is best thread I have seen in my 9 1/2 years here but can safely say none have accomplished much. Carry what you are comfortable with and most of all carry something.


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Compared to what? There are many respectable folks that have done quite a bit of Ballistics testing of the 380 cartridge. Most of us know very well who I am referring to. You seem very smug with your comments against Big Store clerks. I have no dog in this fight with them. I also understand that they are not experts, and they making a living with small wages. I don't ask them for technical advice. I ask general questions, like "do you have this in stock" etc. I detest the bully, know it all, that wants to prove his superior knowledge and find a way to embarrass the clerk, then get on the internet and bash the guy and call him names because he did not have as much wisdom and knowledge of firearms like himself. Give them a break, if they give you bad advice, just smile. Don't show your own insecurity by trying to knock the guy down.
You should reread what I said. I stopped at a gun store to show my wife a 380...I asked to see a particular 380...the clerk offered his opinion on it. I didn't solicit him for advice...he offered it freely. I wasn't rude to him. You've somehow read into it that some how I bullied him. That's far from the case. I simply asked him how he knew that to be true. When I shop for guns I don't ask for advice from the clerks nor do I offer any.
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Pocket pistol

People who pocket carry anything less than a .50 cal. Desert Eagle just don't know anything about hand guns !
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People who pocket carry a .50DE will have Saggy Britches
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