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Old March 10th, 2017, 07:53 AM   #31
 
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Honestly though you can't possibly compare shootability between a pocket pistol and full size handgun. They are totally different animals all together. The gun you need in a out of the house encounter is actually going to be the one you have on you. Realistically a full size or even mid sized isn't likely going to be there if you aren't wearing a suit coat. That pocket gun fills this area very nicely.
I think that's pretty much what I said.



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Our oldest son likes his LCRX .38 special (also Ruger revolver).
I am partial to the Glocks---42 (.380) and 43 (9mm).

Of course, the Glock 42 is smaller and easier to conceal.
Very low recoil.
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The search for the perfect gun is a lifelong quest. I have a safe full to prove it. IMO there isn't a 'perfect' do-it-all firearm. There are some that are pretty good at a lot of things but even they are a study in compromise. You used three terms somewhat synonymously: pocket, carry and home defense. In a nut shell you described small, medium and large.

A pocket gun (small) isn't usually a large caliber because that would limit it's already limited capacity. There also isn't enough mass (metal) to deal with the more powerful ammo. A pocket pistol is easy to carry but is somewhat lacking in firepower.

A carry gun (medium) gives up a little size/weight to negate the disadvantages of a pocket gun. It's almost as easy to carry but it can handle larger calibers and has more capacity than a pocket gun.

A home defense gun (large) eliminates all the disadvantages of the other two in that caliber and capacity can be anything you want. The one thing it gives up is portability. It can be carried but not as easy as a pocket gun or a carry gun.

So you can see that if you want a one gun to do-it-all you're going to have to make some compromises. Start out by deciding what one single element is most important: power, capacity, or portability. Then decide what the second priority is. At that point you've pretty much determined what category of gun you want because the least important aspect will be the compromise element.

Let's talk money. You can buy a gun to fit your needs for $400 but the choices are a bit limited. Some good ones have already been mentioned. OTOH, if you can step it up to about $500 it's a whole new world as far as choices go. Unfortunately guns are like a lot of things in life. The more you can spend the less effect the compromises have.

I'll throw my two cents in as to what I think would work but like most things it's just an opinion. In general I think a carry sized polymer framed 9mm or 40S&W is probably what you're looking for. The good news is all the major manufacturers make them. The bad news is most of them are slightly above your $400 budget unless you buy used. At the risk of annoying some folks let me suggest you stick with the big name brands: S&W, Glock, Springfield, CZ, Beretta Sig, etc. I'd avoid the KelTecs, Bersa's, Caniks, etc. Those guns are fine for range time and you can find one that's reliable but if you stick with the big names you'll have to search to find one that isn't reliable.

Here's exactly what you're looking for:

S&W M&P40

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...USED+VERY+GOOD

Quality, capacity, power, portable, priced right. At $300 you're just not going to find anything better that fits your one-gun-does-it-all-on-a-budget criteria. If I were in your shoes I'd be all over this right now before someone else buys it. YMMV.

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The search for the perfect gun is a lifelong quest. I have a safe full to prove it. IMO there isn't a 'perfect' do-it-all firearm. There are some that are pretty good at a lot of things but even they are a study in compromise. You used three terms somewhat synonymously: pocket, carry and home defense. In a nut shell you described small, medium and large.

A pocket gun (small) isn't usually a large caliber because that would limit it's already limited capacity. There also isn't enough mass (metal) to deal with the more powerful ammo. A pocket pistol is easy to carry but is somewhat lacking in firepower.

A carry gun (medium) gives up a little size/weight to negate the disadvantages of a pocket gun. It's almost as easy to carry but it can handle larger calibers and has more capacity than a pocket gun.

A home defense gun (large) eliminates all the disadvantages of the other two in that caliber and capacity can be anything you want. The one thing it gives up is portability. It can be carried but not as easy as a pocket gun or a carry gun.

So you can see that if you want a one gun to do-it-all you're going to have to make some compromises. Start out by deciding what one single element is most important: power, capacity, or portability. Then decide what the second priority is. At that point you've pretty much determined what category of gun you want because the least important aspect will be the compromise element.

Let's talk money. You can buy a gun to fit your needs for $400 but the choices are a bit limited. Some good ones have already been mentioned. OTOH, if you can step it up to about $500 it's a whole new world as far as choices go. Unfortunately guns are like a lot of things in life. The more you can spend the less effect the compromises have.

I'll throw my two cents in as to what I think would work but like most things it's just an opinion. In general I think a carry sized polymer framed 9mm or 40S&W is probably what you're looking for. The good news is all the major manufacturers make them. The bad news is most of them are slightly above your $400 budget unless you buy used. At the risk of annoying some folks let me suggest you stick with the big name brands: S&W, Glock, Springfield, CZ, Beretta Sig, etc. I'd avoid the KelTecs, Bersa's, Caniks, etc. Those guns are fine for range time and you can find one that's reliable but if you stick with the big names you'll have to search to find one that isn't reliable.

Here's exactly what you're looking for:

S&W M&P40

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...USED+VERY+GOOD

Quality, capacity, power, portable, priced right. At $300 you're just not going to find anything better that fits your one-gun-does-it-all-on-a-budget criteria. If I were in your shoes I'd be all over this right now before someone else buys it. YMMV.


I adamantly agree with everything Bonk said right up to his rec for the M&P 40. Not that it's a bad choice - it's one of a bunch of good choices in a common size and price range. You need to handle several and shoot a few you like and go from the there. The middle ground pistols Bonk described include my favorite, the SR9c. It comes with a 10 round mag for CC and a 17 round mag to give you a full grip at the range and even more capacity for HD. It's also just a consideration. It works for me but I'm not you. The middle sized guns as Bonk explains are probably as good of a compromise as you will find. They are certainly not pocket pistols for most of us. Take a look at the M&P, SR9c (or 40), Glock 19 and/or 26, etc. Get to range that rents them and get a clearer picture of what you want and what you handle well. My $.02


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I currently cary a Kimber K6s in a pocket holster in my right front pocket everywhere.
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I Pocket carry 380's , for home defense i have many to choose from revolvers and semi auto's. to use + four shotguns.
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I use proven technology for my pocket pistol. I carry the gun that my mom's uncle carried and then my dad. A Colt 1908 vest pocket 25ACP. Based on it's serial number, it was made in 1911 (also a good year for Colt).
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Skip the kel tech.

The LCP, LC9, LC380 are good pocket pistols. Also look at Sig Sauer P290rs, P238.

I think you are wrong about revolvers. Even if only 5 rounds, the 38sp +P packs a heck of a punch.
I often carry a S&W J frame in my pocket. Ruger LCR and SP101 are also good choices.

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I use proven technology for my pocket pistol. I carry the gun that my mom's uncle carried and then my dad. A Colt 1908 vest pocket 25ACP. Based on it's serial number, it was made in 1911 (also a good year for Colt).
I see Colt has the 1908 in .32acp back in the line up again. Got one from 1927 in .32 that runs all day long as Mr. Browning made fine pocket guns.
Really like the Sig p938
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Many people think a short barreled revolver or small pistol is good for home protection .... I disagree. You really don't have a size or weight restriction for a home defense gun because you don't have to carry it. Weight and small size are the only advantages with a small auto or snubby revolver .... all other advantages are with a full sized gun.

I always recommend a full sized revolver for home defense .... simply because they require very little brain power to operate. This can be very important when a noise in your house wakes you up from a sound sleep at 3 AM. Autos can be confusing .... is there a loaded magazine in place? Is a round chambered? Do I have to cock the hammer? Is the safety on? 6 rounds from a revolver should get the job done by simply pulling the trigger.

So .... this points to a 4" or a 6" revolver and if you do have to shoot, it will be at close range where a 38 Special is very effective. My "house gun" is a 4" S&W Mod 10 or a S&W Mod 686 .... loaded with lead wadcutters ... no need for a deafening Magnum or a large pistol cartridge.

I learned some very significant concepts when I attended a good firearms self defense class in Phoenix, AZ. The instructions were to show up for the class at the Ben Avery Range with the firearm you intend to use for self defense along with an ample supply of ammo and accessories to include a holster, spare magazines, or speed loaders. There were 8 students in the class so the instructor's first drill had each student (one at a time) go to the firing line and upon the instructor's command, draw and fire two rounds into a 5 yard body silhouette target. The students were expected to complete the task in minimum time (5 seconds, but the instructor didn't tell you that until the exercise was over) while observing all safety concerns. After all 8 students completed the task, the instructor critiqued each student on their safety procedures and timeliness. He started each critique with "you passed" or "you failed". Several students had a pocket carry of some sort and it took some of them well over 10 seconds to draw and fire .... a definite failure. Not only was the time an issue, a couple students failed because they couldn't draw from a pocket without violating the first rule of safety ....keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Not trying to brag, but only three of the eight (me included) were able to safely draw and fire 2 rounds in 5 seconds or less and hit the target. I showed up with a Colt Combat Commander (45 ACP) with a high ride hip holster.

By the end of the 40 hour class, we had to "qualify" with the following practical drill: Load with 5 rounds. Upon command, draw and fire two rounds center mass at 5 yards in 3 seconds or less. Repeat the same drill (2 more rounds) then with one round left in your gun, draw, fire the last round then do a rapid reload and fire a second round in just 5 seconds. The drill repeated until 50 rounds had been fired.

Some other training included drawing and firing from a sitting position at 5 yards(virtually impossible with a pocket carry). A simulated draw and fire out of the driver's window while driving a car, shooting from cover (25 yards), and one very interesting "night shoot" .... also at 25 yards. These scenarios don't begin to cover all possibilities but do address the most common.

By the end of the first 8 hour class, it became obvious .... if you wanted to complete the class, you needed to show up with a revolver or pistol and a good holster .... not a pocket gun of any type. This concept has stuck with me every since. People can argue which is best .... a pistol or revolver but it really boils down to carrying a gun you can put into service safely and quickly ... just a personal preference .... nothing more. I usually carry my Colt Commander but sometimes I carry one of my 4" revolvers, loaded with 38 +P JHPs.
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I wouldn't go smaller then 9mm say a Kahr CM9 or PM9 a small Sig 9mm
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