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Old February 2nd, 2017, 11:21 AM   #1
 
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38 snub for woods carry? LCR vs 642?

Looking into getting a woods carry gun and I've narrowed it down to the LCR in 38special or S&W 642. I want something that can give me a good chance should I need to defend myself against any 4 legged predators, hog, wild dog, etc. but I need something that is easily concealed and is comfortable to carry. I was going to get a fullsize revolver or semi auto, but I dont want to open carry. I have my CCW permit for a reason. I've decided to carry some sort of snub nose revolver in the pocket. I was thinking about getting a 357mag snub nose revolver, but I know magnum loads prefer longer barrels for performance and the recoil of a snub 357 I can only imagine would be horrendous, not to mention muzzle blast and flash. I was thinking about getting the 357 snub and shooting 38's out of it, but then I might as just get a 38special snub nose revolver.

So I narrowed it down to the LCR in 38special, and the S&W 642.

I got to fondle both side by side in my local gunstore today, and I'm torn.

I like the LCR for it's grip, nice buttery smooth and relatively light (to me) trigger.

I like the 642's compactness.

As much as I liked the LCR, I didn't like the way it fit in my pocket. The 642 fit and felt much better. I suppose this is because of the grip, the full cushiony grip of the LCR vs the small bootgrip of the 642. Since these are made to be carry revolvers not target revolvers, the large grip on the LCR is steering me towards the 642.

Do they offer a bootgrip for the LCR? If I could get a 642 style grip for the LCR I would buy it instantly and just swap out the grips. I'm a Ruger guy, and I don't care for the lock on the 642 but I can always get a 642 without a lock (they make those now) and if I don't like the 642 grip after all, I can always change it.

Also, would a 38special snub revolver be good enough for a hiking/camping gun?

I think it would be. It's light and compact enough to be carried for long periods of time, it's concealed so I won't freak other campers out when camping or fellow hikers on the trail, and I think it should offer good power for what my intended use is. I'm not worried about bear, we only have black bear, no grizzly, etc. I'm more concerned about a feral pig, or a dog, or even a cougar. I think loaded with some hard cast +p's, a 38 snub is about the best you can get without going to a larger handgun.

Apologize for the novel, just need to get my thoughts out on someone other than the GF. Thanks




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I am not sure of the wildlife in Wisconsin, but I'd feel more comfortable with at least the .357 LCR if you can handle the recoil. A snub nose isn't going to do the .357 justice, but I bet before too long Ruger is going to offer a 3" LCR in .357. Regardless it's a good 20% more powerful than the .38 even out of a snubby, and it doesn't weight but a few ounces more, and if you hate the .357s you can just shoot .38s out of it.

All things considered, a .38 should be suitable in most situations, and it's better than having a pointy stick.
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I was thinking about getting a 357, is there any 357 that weighs the same and is the same size a 38special revolver?

I think a 38 special will do the job, especially considering I won't be making any long shots with it, this is more for like I'm out hiking, la de dah, oh crap a dog is running at me, barking, teeth barred, ready to attack, I pull the revolver out and shoot it. If it latches on or tackles me, contact shots will do even more damage.
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3 inch sp101 all steel and not too heavy but comfortable with 357 or the new 4.2 inch of he same gun
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I'm only slightly curious as to why you're so concerned with concealment for a woods gun, but if you don't want to go into that, doesn't bother me.

Pitting myself against a hog or coyote with only 5 rounds of .38 special isn't something I'd do personally. IMO, NO, that's not a great choice for defense against these animals. Coyotes are quick, hogs are tough. I'm not sure that there is a handgun that I'd consider ideal to handle either threat, and I can't think of any in the conceal carry category that I'd like to have in that situation. I believe you should consider stepping up to something in the open carry size.

As for which of the two, should your heart be set on this...

I had a 642, and I gave it away.
It functioned just fine.
The trigger pull was downright nasty, gritty and uneven. The cylinder yoke/swingarm didn't match up with the frame.
Machining marks every where.
Cylinder latch was aluminum and the steel screw holding it on seemed overtightened at the factory.
The finish started flaking from the aluminum frame before I even got it to the range.
Those grips on the 642 that you like so much? I had to reglue them twice.

No, I didn't send it back. Bought it used at a highway robbery price from a little old lady I knew for a fact only shot 5 rounds through it before she dropped it in her sock drawer for about 6 months. She didn't like the recoil. This was my friend/neighbor's mom.
I gave it to my stepson after he broke his big stick on a crackhead.
He's had to glue the grips back together too.
He's the only person I've ever seen who didn't really appreciate getting a free gun. He tried to trade it back to me for my shotgun.

I've never handled the Ruger LCR. But I'd take it sight unseen over the S&W any day. I may have just gotten a "Hangover Monday" or "Payday Friday" gun, where the QC folks were in IDGAF mode, I don't know. But between that 642 and some of the horror stories I've seen coming out more frequently about S&W's QC, I don't think I'll ever buy a new one again. I love S&W wheelies. I'll just be getting an older used one if I get another one.
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Ruger does offer a boot grip. I use one in the summer. It does conceal in the pocket, for me,much better than the original grip does.

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There are a couple reasons why I want to conceal when in the woods. 1) It's the way I prefer to live my life. I'm not fond of open carry. I prefer to be concealed and inconspicuous. I don't like not knowing how someone I don't know might react. 2) I camp in state parks, which according to state law, you can open or conceal carry but only if you have a CCW permit. I do not want to be targeted or asked questions or have to show my CCW to a ranger just because I am open carrying. 3) the people I sometimes camp with, while they know I own guns, may not take kindly to a gun on my hip. 4) There's a low risk of me ever running into a situation where I'll ever need my firearm to defend myself against a 4 legged threat, but should that small chance find me, I figure 5 rounds of hot 38 special is better than a knife, or a stick.

All that aside,

You recommend the LCR then, would you also recommend getting the Hogue LCR bantam bootgrip on the shop ruger website? to mjbike, is the link below what you're talking about?

http://shopruger.com/Hogue-LCR-Banta...uctinfo/19927/

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... As for which of the two, should your heart be set on this...

I had a 642, and I gave it away.
It functioned just fine.
The trigger pull was downright nasty, gritty and uneven. The cylinder yoke/swingarm didn't match up with the frame.
Machining marks every where.
Cylinder latch was aluminum and the steel screw holding it on seemed overtightened at the factory.
The finish started flaking from the aluminum frame before I even got it to the range.
Those grips on the 642 that you like so much? I had to reglue them twice.

No, I didn't send it back. Bought it used at a highway robbery price from a little old lady I knew for a fact only shot 5 rounds through it before she dropped it in her sock drawer for about 6 months. She didn't like the recoil. This was my friend/neighbor's mom.
I gave it to my stepson after he broke his big stick on a crackhead.
He's had to glue the grips back together too.
He's the only person I've ever seen who didn't really appreciate getting a free gun. He tried to trade it back to me for my shotgun.

I've never handled the Ruger LCR. But I'd take it sight unseen over the S&W any day. I may have just gotten a "Hangover Monday" or "Payday Friday" gun, where the QC folks were in IDGAF mode, I don't know. But between that 642 and some of the horror stories I've seen coming out more frequently about S&W's QC, I don't think I'll ever buy a new one again. I love S&W wheelies. I'll just be getting an older used one if I get another one.
Wow - no truer words here on RF today. I have managed to find a fairly decent Model 60, and recently a 360J. But, I just examined a 442 yesterday at a LGS. The finish was OK, but the cylinder was already chewing away the "blueing" in a couple of spots. Sloppy yoke/frame fit and loose as a goose lockup. So far, I only have a .22LR LCR, but I'm getting a snubby LCRx as soon as my nickels and dimes add up!!
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I carry a 642 in my back pocket everyday when I walk our dog on our property. It's a 3 mile wooded single track trail, up and down some pretty decent hills. After about 10 steps I don't even know the 642 is there. I have a safe full of guns to choose from but the 642 goes with me more than all my other handguns combined. I've had mine for several years and never had a problem. Yes, the double action trigger pull is heavy but IMO that's a good thing for a pocket pistol. I strongly recommend the 642. It's an outstanding revolver for it's intended purpose.

I carry mine for the occasional encounters with stray dogs, coyotes and trespassers. I very rarely meet any but when I do it's nice to be armed, just in case. A couple of years ago I ran into a guy that had just set up a game camera on my property. Unfortunately for him I happened to be carrying a Colt M4 at the time. He didn't balk too much when I confiscated his game camera but he wasn't happy about it.

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Smith's 3" model 60 steel frame .357 may fit the bill.
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If you decide on the LCR, the LCR357 is all stainless and slightly heavier than the LCR38 which has an aluminum frame.
This means less felt recoil when you fire the .38 special.
I have over 6000 rounds through my LCR9 and it looks and fires like NIB.
The LCR9 is the same construction as the LCR357, so it is sturdy and enduring.
I also have an LCR357, but favor my LCR9.
It is my EDC
Good luck on your choice.
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I don't have a S&W 642,I do have the LCR .38 SPL+P,I like it very much but I don't do much woods walking or hunting.

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I carry a 642 in my back pocket everyday when I walk our dog on our property. It's a 3 mile wooded single track trail, up and down some pretty decent hills. After about 10 steps I don't even know the 642 is there. I have a safe full of guns to choose from but the 642 goes with me more than all my other handguns combined. I've had mine for several years and never had a problem. Yes, the double action trigger pull is heavy but IMO that's a good thing for a pocket pistol. I strongly recommend the 642. It's an outstanding revolver for it's intended purpose.

I carry mine for the occasional encounters with stray dogs, coyotes and trespassers. I very rarely meet any but when I do it's nice to be armed, just in case. A couple of years ago I ran into a guy that had just set up a game camera on my property. Unfortunately for him I happened to be carrying a Colt M4 at the time. He didn't balk too much when I confiscated his game camera but he wasn't happy about it.
Glad you agree with the snub nose 38 revolver out in the woods. I am looking at carrying mine for the same reason you carry yours, stray dogs, coyotes, in my area we have feral hog that can be aggressive, in fact the DNR ordered a shoot on sight for hogs here, etc.

I guess the biggest reason that I don't want to carry the LCR in 357 is even though I could, I know magnum loads prefer a longer barrel because they have slower burning powder so when you carry a snub nose 357, you're really not getting much advantage over the 38 special, which are more or less made for short barrels, but you're getting a lot of increased muzzle blast and flash for not much advantage over the 38, especially +p rounds.

I have decided to go with the LCR in 38. I went back to the gun store and fondled the LCR again and I am sold

Currently getting a good case of gun fever, can't wait to get it
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I'd consider a slightly larger gun. The LCRx or wait for the LCRX 357 in 3". I know Ruger will come out with this model eventually . Smith Model 60 3" too.
Since I'm partial to single actions, a Blackhawk 4 5/8" barrel with the right holster and belt conceals pretty well with a cover garment. Put some 180 grain hardcast flatnose in that gun and your set for almost anything you'll encounter. Just throwing it out there!
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Hunter49, I guess my biggest issue with a larger gun is concealment. I want something that can be comfortably carried in the pocket (in a holster of course). I also saw that LCRx 38 special with the 3" barrel and the big grip, and wow, that thing is huge. I don't think I could stuff that thing in my pocket if I were Paul Bunyan
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