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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:22 PM   #31
 
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I like and carry both.

Revolver doesn't fail to feed, fail to eject. No magazine to damage or lose.
I carry the semi more often but if I had to rely on just one, it would be the revolver.

I use to be a two gun guy, 642 J-Frame shotgun in front pants pocket and a G30 tucked underneath cross draw. It's not a good habit switching platforms especially both at the same time unless you got great muscle memory discipline. Which I lack.

I carried the auto because I lacked faith in the .38 special round, but I liked it as my primary because of the quick draw, under 3 seconds. Enough hopefully to at least buy me time or cover and then come out with the heat. That was my thought pattern anyway.

Those days are over and while I don't have the capacity I did I've got the heat now shotgun in my front pants pocket with my new Ruger LCR .357 magnum. Not so much fun at the range but in a life or death situation it won't matter.




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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:57 PM   #32
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OP you are over-thinking it. Both designs have survived and thrived because neither is "inherently unreliable" or "prone to serious failure". That's why they still exist and thrive, and blunderbuss flintlock pistols and pepperbox revolvers do not.

I'm sure you don't need us to explain to you the pros and cons of each. One machine is generally a higher capacity handgun easier to shoot rapidly. The other is generally a more simple machine that can be built very robust to handle magnum loads.

Eventually you gotta poop or get off the pot.
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Thanks for the replies. I am trying hard to like revolvers, but I suppose I just prefer semi autos
That seems to be the answer for you. And that is what is important.

If possible, I'd try to find a G20 to rent/borrow. If you like the way it shoots in your hands, you'll have your gun. As to ammo, I almost never buy locally. The online prices can't be touched by the local shops in my area. In 10mm, you'll be able to find the full power loads online more easily. Shoot a few boxes to find POI and carry with confidence.
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I can think of as many reasons for a revolver to fail as I can think of reasons for an auto loading pistol to fail.

Single action revolvers should also be a consideration as they are simpler mechanisms. If I bought a dedicated woods gun, it would be this: Ruger® New Model Super Blackhawk® Bisley™ Single-Action Revolver Model 0818
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If you're looking for a "revolver caliber" in a semi-auto pistol, Desert Eagle makes a 44 mag & Coonan makes a 357 mag
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I can think of as many reasons for a revolver to fail as I can think of reasons for an auto loading pistol to fail.

Single action revolvers should also be a consideration as they are simpler mechanisms. If I bought a dedicated woods gun, it would be this: Ruger® New Model Super Blackhawk® Bisley™ Single-Action Revolver Model 0818
+1 on this. Often overlooked as too old school, but my Blackhawks have never had a problem. You can load up some hot rounds for these guns.
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Revolver vs semi auto reliability question

Can't believe this thread, debating revolver reliability and sounding like he doesn't own a revolver, was started by a person with the username 357mag...

Who needs a 357 or 10mm anyways...
https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...th-9mm-pistol/

Seems like the big bore revolvers normally rule the deep woods. Check for high primers prior to loading your pistol and keep it in a good holster.

Good Luck with whatever you choose!


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I have been looking up specs on 357magnum and 10mm, and I am actually leaning towards getting the revolver. It seems that 357 magnum, with heavy hard cast loads actually has better ballistics than 10mm, out of a very similar length barrel.

The only 10mm I can find that matches 357magnum is Double Tap's 200gr hard cast, but I've heard reports of Double Tap overstating their velocities and such, making them a bit unreliable in my mind. 357 magnum not only beats the hottest 10mm I could find (double tap, which if they overstate their velocities, their not the hottest), but does it in a 4" barrel. Increase the barrel length to 6" in a revolver, and you have one hot 357magnum load. Sure, you could swap a longer barrel into the Glock 20, but I was watching a video last night of a guy chronographing a Glock 20 with the Double Tap ammo I wanted to buy, and out of a 6" aftermarket barrel, he was getting velocities BELOW what double tap advertised coming out of a 4.6" barrel. That's pretty pathetic.

I don't handload, and handloading for a brass chucker is not my idea of fun. I either have to get a brass catcher, or chase brass all over the dang range. I may get into handloading, if I can get the reloading dies and press inexpensive, and a revolver will make the reloading process a lot easier. Pick up a single stage press, some good dies, couple boxes of primers, a pound or two of powder, get some wheel weights from auto shops or wherever, cast my own bullets and be done with it.

I was reading all of your responses last night and I decided that i was overthinking the whole reliability thing anyway. REVOLVER WINS! thanks

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I think maybe you are overthinking the difference in ballistics between 357 Magnum and 10mm auto.

There really isn't that much difference. The independent ballistic tests of Underwood Ammo that I have seen suggest that their ballistic data is relatively reliable. If you compare their 10 mm 155 grain XTP JHP load to their 357 Magnum 158 grain XTP JHP load you will see that both have an advertised muzzle velocity of 1500 fps. The 158 grain 357 Magnum load by virtue of its slightly greater projectile weight has slightly greater muzzle energy - 789 ft lbs versus 774 - assuming muzzle energy means anything other than predicting adequate penetration. But counter that with the fact that the 10 mm makes a slightly bigger crush cavity. And 10 mm auto-loaders typically have much greater magazine capacity than the capacity of a 357 Magnum revolver.

Ultimately, whichever will be most effective in your hands will be the caliber you can shoot most accurately, including followup shots.
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I think maybe you are overthinking the difference in ballistics between 357 Magnum and 10mm auto.

There really isn't that much difference. The independent ballistic tests of Underwood Ammo that I have seen suggest that their ballistic data is relatively reliable. If you compare their 10 mm 155 grain XTP JHP load to their 357 Magnum 158 grain XTP JHP load you will see that both have an advertised muzzle velocity of 1500 fps. The 158 grain 357 Magnum load by virtue of its slightly greater projectile weight has slightly greater muzzle energy - 789 ft lbs versus 774 - assuming muzzle energy means anything other than predicting adequate penetration. But counter that with the fact that the 10 mm makes a slightly bigger crush cavity. And 10 mm auto-loaders typically have much greater magazine capacity than the capacity of a 357 Magnum revolver.

Ultimately, whichever will be most effective in your hands will be the caliber you can shoot most accurately, including followup shots.
I am not concerned about the ballistics of jacketed hollow points, I am looking at heavy hard cast lead. Also, if you look at the ballistic information on Underwood's site for really any given round, notice it does not state what barrel length it was shot out of to get those results. We do not know if they shot them out of a snub nose or a 8 and a quarter inch barrel and besides, I would not shoot a hollow point at anything other than a human. The loads I am looking for are for woods carry for protection against large and toothy animals where penetration, not expansion, is desired.

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357mag, speaking as someone that has been reloading for decades and casting for cartridge guns for a few years, I think you may not have a solid grasp on the reloading/casting concept.

Wheel weights are drying up rapidly as most of the new ones are zinc. You can still find some shops that will sell you old weights but a lot of shops will no longer sell or give away wheel weights. Even if you find some, you'll have to sort through them to remove the zinc ones and these days they run over 75% of the weights, so the yield is low.

There are other inexpensive sources of lead but that's beyond the scope of this thread.

By the way, bullets don't need to be extremely hard to work well and often a softer bullet that fits the bore is far better than a hard one, even when driven at faster speeds.
Casting is a fun hobby but it will take you a LONG time to recoup the cost of the equipment. I would recommend you check out this : From Ingot to Target: A Cast Bullet Guide For Handgunners, Table of Contents - Fryxell/Applegate

I would also recommend that you purchase a few reloading manuals and read up on reloading & casting before you set off on that adventure.

I wouldn't get real hung up on ballistics and other stats. While it is true that there's a difference in performance between different cartridges, it's easy to get caught up in the numbers.

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I think maybe you are overthinking the difference in ballistics between 357 Magnum and 10mm auto.

There really isn't that much difference. The independent ballistic tests of Underwood Ammo that I have seen suggest that their ballistic data is relatively reliable. If you compare their 10 mm 155 grain XTP JHP load to their 357 Magnum 158 grain XTP JHP load you will see that both have an advertised muzzle velocity of 1500 fps. The 158 grain 357 Magnum load by virtue of its slightly greater projectile weight has slightly greater muzzle energy - 789 ft lbs versus 774 - assuming muzzle energy means anything other than predicting adequate penetration. But counter that with the fact that the 10 mm makes a slightly bigger crush cavity. And 10 mm auto-loaders typically have much greater magazine capacity than the capacity of a 357 Magnum revolver.

Ultimately, whichever will be most effective in your hands will be the caliber you can shoot most accurately, including followup shots.
Given a set number (5000?) of those rounds through each gun (155gr/10mm, 158gr/.357 Mag), which gun would need less maintenance and be more trouble-free? My instinct says GP100, but maybe the Glock 20 could hang in there, too, with maybe a recoil spring change or two.
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NOT a glock fan, IMHO, they are the LCD in the

auto-loader field. You need something that's

cheap and will shoot reliably, you hazard shooting

yourself in the package, and get a glock.



BUT, OP, did you know there is a new boy on the block ?

Yes, enter the Coonan .357 -1911-! Check that little beast out!
I have a GP100, and a Coonan 1911, both in .357 with 6"barrels. I love them both, they are both more accurate than I am and I shoot them equally. If I had to leave one behind due to rough service or less than top ammunition that would be the day I carry the GP. If self defense then I would be packing the Coonan. The balance on the Coonan is better to control muzzle flip, better trigger than double action GP and quick response rounds on target is the result. My buddies 10mm Glock is a handful to put rounds on target, the Coonan much better in every way except for weight if you carried many long hours like the law might do.
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I think semi vs wheel posts are about as fun as a recreational root canel.
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I think semi vs wheel posts are about as fun as a recreational root canel.
Yup. Just buy and go shoot.
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