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Old January 3rd, 2017, 06:06 PM   #16
 
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I carried one last summer for a couple of weeks it is my brothers and I was impressed with the Guardian built well no mechanical issues and was pretty accurate. Not a bad little shooter enjoy



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Old January 4th, 2017, 02:19 PM   #17
 
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Good choice in a gun. Few people want to get shot.
Thanks, I had narrowed it down to this or the Seecamp and really favored the Guardian due to being able to practice with less expensive FMJ ammo and not be limited in self defense ammo. " Few people want to get shot " Lehigh Defense has a 32 Auto 50gr Xtreme Cavitator Ammunition that is pretty impressive. Hope it will feed properly.
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Nice choice. Coincidently, we also are going to be buying a Guardian or Seecamp in .32 acp . We've both shot the little Seecamp and it's a hoot. And like you, we think a .32 in my wife's purse is better than a J frame at home
Make sure your wife is comfortable with the Guardian prior to purchase. It is not going to work out for my wife, the trigger is just to long and stiff. She was able to pull the trigger in the store and said it would be okay, but it wasn't. I have dry fired it with snap caps at least 300 times and it still measures 10.5 lbs. Good news is she is now carrying her LCR and said she doesn't notice it in her purse.

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Cool! That is very classy. Mouse guns are fun
Thanks! They sure are.

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Keep your eyes open for a Beretta .32 ACP with a flip up barrel, never need to rack the slide. I have a couple in .25 ACP, great pocket guns.
You are correct. From the specs a Beretta Tomcat 3032 is the right pocket carry for her. I can't find one locally. If I ever do and she likes it we will definitely get one. Back in the day, I owned a couple of different European 25 cal. pocket pistols but not the Beretta.

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That should work for shootin mice. Congrats. Nice find.
I couldn't find a 6+1 .45 that small. Thanks!

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Have one. But the P238 in .380 is actually a bit thinner, with it's locking breech shoots softer despite it having more power, so it all the pocket carry any more.
The P238 was the top contender vs the LCR 327 when we were updating my wife's Taurus Mdl 85 .38 for a CCW. She chose the LCR because she could practice with 32acp or 32swl which has about the same recoil as the LCR 22. Then carry H&R Magnum Critical defense ammo which according to my research is at least as good for self defense as the .380 maybe a little better. But she mainly chose the LCR because with a revolver there is nothing to remember and if you have a misfire just pull the trigger again.
To me comparing the P238 to the Guardian is kind of apples to oranges or maybe apples to pears for concealment. DAO vs SAO (cocked and locked or hammer down with one in the chamber). Concealed striker vs exposed hammer. I know I will get some disagreement on this but for me these little mouse pistols are for sticking in your pocket without a holster unless it prints.

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More like RATS ...
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Yessir, she's Purty!!!!!!!!!!!
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For a deep cover back up .32cal mouse gun I always liked my KelTec P32. It's so slim and light, you don't even feel it in your pocket. The Speer Gold Dots work flawlessly in mine.
How is the recoil? I've never shot one but I have held them at the LGS. I don't like the feel in my hand. It feels like a toy . But that is just me and my preference.
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Congratulations,nice little mouse you have.
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"My wife will not like the recoil but it's not for target practice. She is not able to rack the slide but this is a "get off me" gun and I don't anticipate a problem feeding good ammo."
Nice find, but if this is for her don't you think she should have some input? And if she won't like the recoil why is she any more likely to carry this as opposed to the LCR? And if she can't rack the slide what is she supposed to do if there's a malfunction?
Truly not trying to be a jerk, just curious. If she's happy then all's good.
I think you read a little more into this than was there. We are in our 60's and have been married well over 30 yrs. Let me assure you this is not a case of me buying a gun for the little woman.
She is recoil sensitive, but could defend herself with a 38 revolver if the needed. She has very little upper body strength. There are very few semi autos that she can rack the slide. But your ability to clear a malfunction in a self defense situation is very unlikely unless you have special forces training and even then it would depend on the circumstances. If your life is truly being threatened even a misfire could cost you your life. Her fingers are very weak. She is afraid of slide bite. She wants and needs a revolver with a good trigger. That is the LCR. She had never carried it to know she didn't like it. She just got in her head that she needed a "little bitty gun".
It doesn't take much for me to buy a pistol I like for less than $400. If it worked for her to carry great. If it didn't than I figured she would give the LCR a chance. It didn't work out due to the trigger. Now she is carrying the LCR. I ask her how it was working out and she said "Great ,she didn't even realize it was there". If she decides she needs a mouse pistol we will look at trying to find a Beretta Tomcat.
So Happy Ending. My Wife is carrying a decent firearm and I got a mouse pistol. Life is good
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I carried one last summer for a couple of weeks it is my brothers and I was impressed with the Guardian built well no mechanical issues and was pretty accurate. Not a bad little shooter enjoy
My thoughts exactly. Thanks!
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Old January 6th, 2017, 05:28 AM   #19
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Congrats on the Guardian .32 ACP. I have one that I bought back when .380 ACP was virtually unobtainium.

It's a small gun that will go in small pockets, but it's not what I call a friendly gun to shoot. The blowback action and small size make the felt recoil seem like your firing a bigger gun. I also find that if you don't grip the snot out of it, it will move in your hand during firing causing limp wrist type jams. When I fire my Guardian, I fire it like I'm angry and it cycles everytime.

There are two cartridges my Guardian doesn't like. Winchester flat nose (truncated cone) and Sellier & Bellot. The first jams while the second has hard primers and requires restrikes frequently. My favorite ammo in that gun is Fiocchi FMJ.

Also, if you start having problems with your gun while using that finger hook mag extension, it may be due to your fingers pulling the mag loose under recoil. I have that problem with my Guardian so I only use the flat bottom mag floor plates.

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How is the recoil? I've never shot one but I have held them at the LGS. I don't like the feel in my hand. It feels like a toy . But that is just me and my preference.

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I've had my KelTec P32 for about 20 years and ran plenty of rounds through it. The recoil is surprisingly mild and the slide is easy to work. The pistol does not work well with FMJ rounds, but like I said, I use the Speer Gold Dots for carry. I've probably run over 400 rounds of Gold Dots through it without a malfunction. It's a DAO pistol, and my only complaint would be that it doesn't have a second strike capability. I switched over to a S&W Bodyguard DAO .380 for pocket carry mostly because it's laser equipped (for my old eyes) and it does have second strike capability, but it's not a fun pistol to shoot recoil wise.
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How is the recoil? I've never shot one but I have held them at the LGS. I don't like the feel in my hand. It feels like a toy . But that is just me and my preference.

Thanks!
Compared to my Taurus TCP732 (.32ACP) and a Ruger LCP in .380ACP, the Guardian .32ACP has recoil much closer to the Ruger LCP using hot loads in that Ruger.

It's because of the blowback action and the smaller grip of the Guardian that the felt recoil is greater than a .32ACP gun would seem to be.

NAA does sell a 10 round magazine that gives more to grip onto that makes the gun more controllable. I have two of those mags, but reliability is spotty when filled all the way.
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