turbo2010

Can anyone help me? I am looking for a pistol with all the following criteria...

- 18-20 rds 9MM

- 3" barrel

- ambi safety

- DA/SA with exposed hammer. Carry cocked and locked.

- Laser availability.

- Reasonably priced.

Any suggestions eagerly reviewed. Thanks.

Iowegan

turbo2010, I really doubt there is a pistol on the market that will meet all your requirements. Pistols with 3" barrels fall into the compact category, which means the grip frame is smaller, thus less magazine capacity. I don't think there is a SA/DA model on the market that can safely be carried with the hammer cocked ... as soon as the safety is placed in the "safe" position, the hammer will decock.

Sounds like you are concerned with concealability .... but your requirements are counter productive. Any pistols with high capacity magazines are going to have a big fat grip frame, which is much harder to conceal than a longer barrel.

JimB120

Iowegan is right.

Might want to look at the SR9c though.

The purpose of SA/DA is to avoid the need to drop a safety, so if you want the safety you don't need the double action.

I had a .40 cal DA and dumped it for the SR9c because it was more accurate and easier to shoot.

17 +1 in the chamber with a safety, so you can carry locked and loaded in a compact frame.

Railed, so lasers are available and at @ $400 it's a good price.

It's a tad larger than the pocket pistols like the Kel Tecs but built to be a CC weapon, and up to the task.

Loose shirt in the summer, jacket in the winter, Ruger reliable and frankly a hoot to shoot.

BuckeyeBlast

+1 Looks like you're trying to find that perfect magic pistol that unfortunately doesn't exist. The closest thing I can think of is a Beretta 92FS Centurion, they're not made anymore, but there's still lots around and they're a fantastic pistol.

RugerGP100

I agree with the other guys here. No such thing unless Para Ordinance gets in the market since they love high capacity pistols!

The SR9c may be a great compromise however.

bigweatherby

What about a Glock 26 with a 33 round mag?

BuckeyeBlast

G26 is DAO w/ no ext safety.

As far as the op though, your best bet is going to be to compromise on capacity and carry a spare mag.

Rugerismisticness

HA your funny! A Raven .25ACP meets all those requirements, but wait theres more! Buy one raven get 9million jams free! XDM 3.8 is the closest to your rediculous criteria

TN.Ruger

wow... now there's a nice way to welcome a newb.

give the guy a break, he's obviously new, and just learning...as ALL of us had to do.

and, oh yeah...it's spelled "RIDICULOUS".



TN.Ruger

gqucool

Sounds like to me you are wanting a hi-capacity 9mm semi auto pistol well there are plenty of good ones out there. But if you are wanting a semi auto 9mm pistol for CCW I would tell you to forget the 18-20 rounds of 9mm capacity! CCW you are wanting a pistol that is easy to conceal, but if you want to pack tons of ammo then good luck! Personally I would suggest a thinner framed semi auto with 8-10 round capacity and go from there. Sig Sauer P239 in 9mm is a fine example Kahr is another gun, a 1911 is also another choice but thats my 2 cents worth!

TN.Ruger

hey turbo -

1st of all, welcome!!

as everyone else already mentioned...you're most likely not going to find all of these features in one pistol.

most of them are very desirable traits, and you are on the right track in what you're looking for...

I'd suggest picking 3 features that are MOST important to you, then look for a gun with those attributes.

a HUGE factor will be the gun's intended use. what is this gun for?



TN.Ruger

turbo2010

Thanks for great opinions. Got me thinking.

I currectly use a S&W 3913 9mm (8) with a rubber grip. Really like it. It's been called S&W's finest semi-auto. It has the decocker system.

Just sold my Kimber .45 CDP with laser grips, arched backstraps, and mag well extension. Neat pistol but a bit heavy when loaded. Don't know why I sold it ($1200).

speedy

I can think the only 3" size would be like a CZ75 compact with after market magazine to bump the capacity. I have a S&W 5906 that is the same size as a Sig-Sauer P6 single stack 8 rounds (this is pretty compact pistol)..... the Smith holds 16 and an 20 to 30 round after market mag is available but superfluous in my opinion. 16 is a lot of shots for one barrage- AND HEAVY TO CARRY!
Here is a size comparison of the two I mentioned.
I attached a link here to the cz site where they have a new compact model that holds 14 rounds in the mag-this is called a p-01....... http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-p01/
Best-Mike

turbo2010

A CZ-75 P-01 is my best choice. Just a couple questions. Is there an ambi safety O.E.M.? (shoot LH) Does a (19) rds Mec-Gar fit the P-01. Can the trigger be tickled for a lighter pull? As Glocks can.

speedy

I don't know about magazines-this you will have to seek out through mec-gar and see if the standard cz75 mags will reciprocate between the models maybe. I do believe the ambi safety is available. Again you may just have to contact CZ-USA with your specific questionss and they can tell you what options are available. Most people like the platform.
The triggers can be worked on. They have a yoke trigger that is also an action bar/transfer that is very rugged and reliable. I had a Marine friend try to do a self inflicted trigger job and he removed too much metal from the yoke. We tig welded some metal back on and I was able to make a nice smooth trigger for him. I believe any gunsmith could adjust the pull to your liking. My favorite trigger job is natural wear and tear. They do themselves if used enough. Some guns sometimes need a little extra love though.
Best-Mike

RugerGP100

Little tough there

I think what the OP wants to be rather plausible in todays market. Problem is, it just does not exist right now......go figure.

Be nice.......feels much better than being, well, a smart @$$!

bub

Turbo, the FN FNX9 (updated version of the FNP9) is pretty close to your criteria. Standard mag capacity is 17 rds, barrel is 4", has a hammer, ambi decocker/safety and is able to be carried cocked and locked, has a rail for laser or light and is around the $500-$550 mark. I've never shot or handled one, but they get very good reviews and owners seem to really like them. Also, FNH USA has spectacular customer service in case you have problems.

I also think that it might help to tell us why you want the gun. Concealed carry? If so, there's really no need for such a high capacity, despite what the "Mall Ninjas" think and the S&W 3913 would be a good choice for CCW if you can effectively conceal it. Home defense? You really don't need a compact gun for that. General shooting use? Just want a new gun (don't we all?)? Define your usage, decide what you really want and the answer should become evident. Just be aware, you will probably never find a gun that fits ALL your criteria, but you should be able to find one that fits MOST of your criteria.

Bub

turbo2010

Really appreciate the guidelines you've presented. My initial problem is WI and our stupid governor will never approve CCW. But he'll be THROWN out of office this Nov. His replacement will definately be a Rep.

The Supreme Court ruling is upcoming next June. It might unblock the doorway to National CCW rules. Then again if Obama finds some demonstion is a "threat" to public health or security he is likely to use martial law to ban any out-of-state guns transfer and maybe void all CCW permits.

My MN permits covers 20 states but is useless for local errands. Whole thing makes me furious...

BuckeyeBlast

Sooo... is the guns purpose CCW now, CCW in the future, home protection, range gun???

turbo2010

Future CCW. Present home defense and target range. Everyone makes sense with their comments on mag capacity and I've been converted. Actually my current SW 3913 meets those desired lessor capacity requirements. It's reputation is flawless and it's narrower and lighter than most. It's the choice for many LO's off-duty carrying...

Thanks for setting me straight.

BuckeyeBlast

Sounds like a look at the SR9c may be worth it.

Ambi safety and mag release, accessory/laser rail, use the 17 rnd mag now for range and home defense, then converting to a CCW weapon is as simple as changing to the 10 rnd mag. Plus, then you'd have the 17 rounder extra in your pocket. You'd have 28 rounds of 9mm on you in a totally concealable package.

In your situation, that'd be what I'd get.

bigjim

The only ones that come close are

FNH FNP9
FNP9-17 DA/SA Manual Safety

and the XD sub compact
Springfield Armory

the closest would be the
Beretta PX4 Storm Sub-Compact
they can use the standard PX4 mags (17 rounds)


Each is missing ALL you requirements

One is a 4 inch and the other is a striker fired and the Baretta does not come with a manual safety.

If you find one let us know.

Jim

bronco73401

Id go with a taurus pt-92/99 or a beretta 92. High cap, can fit laser, barrel is longer at 5 inches.

Lance