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Old February 9th, 2010, 05:05 PM   #1
 
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Cimarron Arms vs. Ruger

Probably not the best place to ask this question but, how do the offerings of Cimarron Arms compare to Rugers in terms of fit, finish and durability?



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Probably not the best place to ask this question but, how do the offerings of Cimarron Arms compare to Rugers in terms of fit, finish and durability?
I don't have a Vaquero, and that's really what Cimarron is competing with, but I can say that the fit and finish on my Model P is excellent and easily on par with my Blackhawk. Except, I didn't have to send the Cimarron cylinder off to have it's throats reamed like the Blackhawk.

It groups very well, all holes touching if I do my part, but it shoots a bit left to POA, so I'll have to have the barrel indexed.

Other than that, it's a faithful reproduction of the Colt SAA, whereas the Vaquero is more losely based on the SAA. Only a consideration if that authenticity is important to you.

Durability, I don't know, as I haven't had this long. But it would be hard to beat out a Ruger in the durability department.

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White Willie,

Reckon this question dovetails to the one in which you asked about .357 Magnum single-actions.

Can't speak personally to Cimarron's fit and finish but you'll have a mighty long search trying to find another manufacturer that produces a single-action that's as durable as a Ruger.

Don't see that Cimarron offers anything with adjustable sights, which places some pretty strict limits on a gun's acccuracy and versatility.
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You are correct AP. I'm still considering options.

Thanks for you response and picture Hammerdown. You have a beautiful SA.
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WW I currently have a Old Model Ruger Vaquero & I also had at one time the New Model Ruger Vaquero. Now comparing those guns to the Cimarron with the fit and fininsh on the Cimarron are very good, the new model Vaquero is a closer resemblance to the size of the Cimarron/Colt clone guns. But I will say that given what I have seen and read in the past the Ruger is a much more stout gun compared to the Cimarron guns. One article I have read on Cowboy Action Shooting that the Ruger Vaquero's are ready out of the box. Meaning nothing really has to be done to them, where as the Cimarron guns or Uberti who actually makes the guns for several Companies including Cimarron. Those guns it is usually advised to have action jobs done to the guns internal parts. I think with ocassional shooting the Cimarrion guns are just fine but for extended use such as Cowboy Action Shooting it is recomended to have the colt clone guns to have their actions smoothed up and tuned to prevent premature wear. I hope this helps my 2 cents worth!
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Another difference is the half cock for loading, no transfer bar safety on the Cimarron vs. the transfer bar system on the Vaquero. The Cimarron is faithful to the Colt in this regard, even down to the firing pin on the hammer. You get that wonderful click...click...click click when you cock the hammer on the Cimarron, as opposed to the cl..clack on the Vaquero. That was enough for me...I love that action.

With the transfer bar on the Vaq, it's safe to carry a full six rounds in the chamber with the hammer down. On the Cimarron, you should only carry 5, with the hammer down on an empty chamber, as the firing pin is on the hammer and protrudes through the frame into the primer when it is down.

Another difference. The Cimarron uses leaf springs like the Colt, whereas all Rugers use coil springs.

The trigger on mine was crisp out of the box, although a bit heavier than I'd like. I'll probably change the spring out at some point, but it's a little more involved operation than swapping out the trigger return spring on a Blackhawk/Vaquero (which I've done).

There are a lot of very good Cowboy action shooters using Uberti/Cimarron (Evil Roy), as well as the Vaquero. I don't think you could go wrong with either, so it really boils down to what features you want.
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On the older .45 Vaquero's and the Blackhawks the throats run tight, very true. However, my .45 blackhawk is still very accurate.

I do have a New Vaquero, and out of the box, mine printed SPOT on, and a very small group, and the throats are .4525. I had read this was the case, and my personal specimen is proof to me.
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fit and finish is about even. Cimarrons have wolff springs already installed and are tuned the best of any Uberti importers.they will last a long time but any Colt or Colt clone Cowboy shooter will carry extra springs cause it's not if leaf springs will break its when.
Rugers on the other hand are built like tanks about the only thing I've ever heard on a regular basis is high mileage guns will berak the transfer bar. Of course Ruger will send you a new one when it does.
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As smaller guns, versus the Blackhawk, are the Vaqueros less durable than the Blackhawks in the same caliber?
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As smaller guns, versus the Blackhawk, are the Vaqueros less durable than the Blackhawks in the same caliber?
If you mean the new model vaquero then yes it is less durable than the blackhawk of the same caliber if heavy loads are used
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They arn't less durable, they are the same size as the SA Army pattern, made with high quality steels. Thus they will last a lifetime with standard pressure .45 Colt loads. Plus, ruger is now chambering a convertable New Vaquero (listed through Davisons gallery of guns), with a .45 ACP cylinder. The .45 ACP is at around 20K psi'ish, vs the 14K psi of the .45 Colt.

The Blackhawk, and the older Vaqueros, are built on the same size frame as the .44 mag. That is the beginning of the Ruger only .45 Colt loads, which are in or above the .44 mag class. The next power level up is for the Redhawks, and those step on the heels of the .454 Casull. A good read, Linebaugh's Custom Sixguns - The .45 Colt - Dissolving the Myth, Discovering the Legend

In no way take this as a "ALL LOADS MUST BE WHITE KNUCKLE RED LINE EARTH MOVING....". I love standard pressure loads, and my hunting loads have been 250 gr slugs at about 1200 Fps.

A New Vaquero is a great pistol, or save your pennies for a few more months, and get one of the Blackhawk Flattops in .44 Spc, since you will be handloading, you will not be limited. Ruger New Model Blackhawk Blued Single-Action Revolver Models
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I have both a Cimarron (4 3/4" barrel) .44 Special and a Ruger Bisley Vaquero in .45 Colt (as well as several Black Hawks).

My Cimarron is better finished (real case hardened frame, flame blued screws, absolutely first class polishing, etc). The Ruger is much more rugged with all coil springs and is finished nicely but not quite as pretty as the Cimarron.

Sights - the Cimarron has similar sights to the First Generation Colts, which is to say, MISERABLE. They are a skinny front sight with a small V-notch in the frame. The revolver does not shoot to the sights. The revolver came with a crisp two pound trigger pull. The Cimarron looks and acts exactly like an early Colt (same smooth action and all of the clicks). The first two weeks I had the Cimarron the hand spring broke. Cimarron fixed it with a quick two week turn around. The main spring was WAY too heavy and I replace it with a Wolf.

The Ruger has really decent fixed sights. The rear is square and the front is relatively wide. I have shot some excellent scores with these sights. Right out of the box, the Ruger shot dead on at 25 yards. That is a bit remarkable. I also had a Ruger Vaquero 4 3/4", prior to the Bisley, that had the windage perfectly but shot a bit low at 25 yards. A few strokes with a file and it shot dead on at 25 yard. So, it appears that Ruger has the sights worked out well (at least in the two versions I had). All Rugers that I have bought have required a trigger job. The .45 Colts have benefited from reaming the cylinder throats.

Unless you have a need for fixed sights (I shot Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Silhouette and there were pistol "side matches" that required black powder and fixed sights). I suggest the Black Hawk in the flavor of your choice (caliber and barrel length). The adjustable sights have a better sight picture and you can easily zero the revolver for different loads. If you plan on shooting these it is always nice to be able to hit what you are aiming at...

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I have a Model P and a Vaquero. I really like the front sights on the Ruger much better. I haven't put enough rounds through either though.
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I gottem all 3 get the ruger, you save all around!
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I'v had experinence w/ both. As everyone else is saying the ruger is built a little stronger in the spring department. The cimmarrons are very nice though, and Taylors ( another uberti importer) makes a smoke wagon series that has a great action and finish on it right out of box. If you want all out brawny durability you can't beat a ruger. If you want a traditional colt copy, cimmarron or taylors are the way to go. ( unless you don't mind spending a little more, then a USFA single action is the way to go! msrp is $975)
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