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This is a discussion on Cimarron Arms vs. Ruger within the Pistols & Revolvers forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; Originally Posted by White Willie Probably not the best place to ask this question but, how do the offerings of Cimarron Arms compare to Rugers ...


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Old February 25th, 2010, 07:57 AM   #16
 
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Probably not the best place to ask this question but, how do the offerings of Cimarron Arms compare to Rugers in terms of fit, finish and durability?

Ruger single actions have ALWAYS been the strongest, most durable on the market, at least until the latest smaller frame Blackhawks...Reloading manuels always had loads only for T/C contenders and Rugers...



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Vaqueros SUCK

I have two 44 magnum Ruger Vaqueros. One stainless, one blued with case colored frame. Neither of them shoot groups, both of them shoot patterns more like a damned shotgun. At 25 yards we are talking about a two-foot "group", and that's shooting 44-40 loads. Had them both worked on by good gunsmiths to try to make them shoot better. Both came back worse than when I sent them off. Can no more shoot a SASS cowboy match with them than fly! You couldn't sell me another Ruger Vaquero if your life depended on it! THEY ARE JUNK!

I got a Uberti Model P in 45 Colt. First time I shot a cylinder full @ 25 yards, had a group about 2". Sent it to a very good gunsmith to have the rear notch deepened and squared at the bottom, heat treating of critical internal parts, a super tuning and trigger job, Wolff springs and re-worked forcing cone. That gun is an ABSOLUTE JEWEL now, and it consistently shoots 1.5" groups @ 25 yards @ point of aim.

Right now I have a Cimarron Evil Roy in 45 Colt on order. I expect it to be nearly as good right out of the box.
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Can no more shoot a SASS cowboy match with them than fly! You couldn't sell me another Ruger Vaquero if your life depended on it! THEY ARE JUNK!

I got a Uberti Model P in 45 Colt. First time I shot a cylinder full @ 25 yards, had a group about 2". Sent it to a very good gunsmith to have the rear notch deepened and squared at the bottom, heat treating of critical internal parts, a super tuning and trigger job, Wolff springs and re-worked forcing cone. That gun is an ABSOLUTE JEWEL now

Not Ruger's intent to sell to the cowboy action shooters. That's where the Italian knockoff's come in but even you admit you have to pour money into them. And at the end of the day if you ever try to go beyond a soft cowboy load you stand the chance of blowing them Chinese mental guns up.

Oh well, what ever works for ya right.
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Many relate the fact that Rugers are more beefy and can handle heavier loads as being "better". Beefy doesn't equate to better. I am not saying either is better, just making an observation
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Many relate the fact that Rugers are more beefy and can handle heavier loads as being "better". Beefy doesn't equate to better.

Agreed, but like a fat woman in the winter very comforting.
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I Can no more shoot a SASS cowboy match with them than fly! You couldn't sell me another Ruger Vaquero if your life depended on it! THEY ARE JUNK!
Rancid,
Welcome to the forum. The SASS forum has been running a poll for several years polling members on their favorite SA revolver for SASS. The over-whelming choice of the vast majority has been Ruger.
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I have a new Vaquero .45 Colt and only shoot factory ammunition in it. I like the gun and the way it shoots. Best "pointing" gun I have ever shot.
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This thread's nearly 7yrs old but Cimarron is going to have better fit & finish every time. Ruger will always have an edge in reliability because the Cimarron is a replica of the Colt SAA. Bill Ruger took all the lessons learned from 120yrs of Colt single actions and eliminated all their shortcomings.

The standard guns are not tuned, only those marketed as such like the Evil Roy.

They are available with both narrow blade/V-notch 1st generation blackpowder frame sights as well as the later square notch 2nd generation sights.


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Not Ruger's intent to sell to the cowboy action shooters. That's where the Italian knockoff's come in but even you admit you have to pour money into them. And at the end of the day if you ever try to go beyond a soft cowboy load you stand the chance of blowing them Chinese mental guns up.

Oh well, what ever works for ya right.
Uh, what? The Vaquero was aimed directly at the CAS crowd and the New Vaquero was another response to their desire for a Colt sized sixgun.

Your comment about blowing up "Chinese metal" is pure nonsense.


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Ruger single actions have ALWAYS been the strongest, most durable on the market...
Until we compare them to the BFR or Freedom Arms guns.
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Your comment about blowing up "Chinese metal" is pure nonsense.
Hey don't feel bad, I wouldn't even shoot heavy out of a S&W.

The bottom line is this, people who buy those Italian knock-offs do it on price point and they make them look like old west guns. So some go gaga over that.

But I have to smile when they then talk about all the money they spent to get it the way they want it and yet at the end of the day I would not trust it for jack other than playing cowboy.
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I would not trust it for jack other than playing cowboy.
And what do you base this opinion on?
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Observational opinion and ya know what some say about opinions right.
And you will notice as well I wasn't the one who mention the word 'junk'.
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Observational opinion and ya know what some say about opinions right.
And you will notice as well I wasn't the one who mention the word 'junk'.
So you've never owned one?

As someone who has actually owned and used 29 various Italian replicas over the last 30yrs, I'd say your opinion is uninformed at best.

I wouldn't lend any credibility to Rancid's post by responding to it.
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I have two 44 magnum Ruger Vaqueros. One stainless, one blued with case colored frame. Neither of them shoot groups, both of them shoot patterns more like a damned shotgun. At 25 yards we are talking about a two-foot "group", and that's shooting 44-40 loads. Had them both worked on by good gunsmiths to try to make them shoot better. Both came back worse than when I sent them off. Can no more shoot a SASS cowboy match with them than fly! You couldn't sell me another Ruger Vaquero if your life depended on it! THEY ARE JUNK.
Mulebuk, Rancid was talking about Rugers not Cimarrons or Uberti.
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So you've never owned one?

I wouldn't lend any credibility to Rancid's post by responding to it.

Never owned a Taurus either and never will. (not even for free)
Don't get me wrong I'm cheap but I'll never skimp when it comes to a firearm especially if I'm going to use it for personal protection. As far as the cowboy circuit goes I can understand wanting accuracy and all but again it's not a life or death situation and so even a slingshot for $5 bucks would probably do.


You call something junk while spending money on junk to make it better.
OK.
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Who's skimping? Whatever quality gap you 'think' exists, doesn't. They are also in the same price range as Ruger so that comment makes no sense whatsoever. I don't buy them because I'm cheap, because I am most certainly not cheap. I buy them because they are good guns. I've never even been to a CAS match but this "playing cowboy" that you refer to with condescension, involves more shooting than most other folks will ever subject a single action revolver to. Most of your top competitors are running Uberti rifles.

What money are people spending on them? All I do is change the springs, which is the same thing I do with Rugers, Colt's, USFA's, S&W's, etc..

Seems to me that you are denigrating something you know nothing about.
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