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Old October 2nd, 2016, 02:32 PM   #16
 
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I have a few Smiths. The latest is this 38/44 heavy duty. None of mine are post 1980. Oh, the heavy duty serial number dates it to 1935.
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I think it's a model 19. I'd rather have a .44magnum, but this one is nice. Selling a spare SP101 that I've rarely shot to help towards it. I love Rugers but in future I won't be buying one unless I know I'm going to keep it, because their resale is lousy! I've taken this sp to several pawn shops and the lowest offer I got was 250 (ridiculous) and the highest was 325, still crazy low. I almost laughed in their faces at those offers. If it was a Smith, I'd bet it'd get way more.

I really really love Smiths, my dad thinks they're the best guns ever, and I've always wanted one but haven't had one yet. I absolutely hate the internal lock though, I really love some of the new Smiths, especially the Classics line, but I just can't stomach the lock on them. Looks like Smith would at least remove the locks from their new classics line. It would seem to me that Smith's sales of new revolvers would have to be pretty dismal with the locks, so why don't they remove them? If you're a parent who lets a child near a gun, then you've already failed as a parent, so why are the locks even there? Don't get it. I just couldn't stomach owning one of those I don't think. But based on my experience I'd bet you could take a new Smith and a new Ruger Blackhawk or Redhawk to a pawnshop and the Ruger would only get like a 350 dollar or 300 offer, while the Smith would be a lot closer to the original retail. Ruger's resale is atrocious. I won't have another Ruger unless it's one I absolutely want to keep for myself, like my GP100.
The only way you will get a good price for your gun is sell it yourself. Going trade in here is about 50%. If you want higher value then take to a gun show or see if LGS will place on consignment. I have never had any issues with any older S&W, Colt, Ruger, etc. if I do proper inspection. As far as the lock, IMO that is more Urban Legend than fact. I shoot bowling pins with an 8 shot 627 for three years now and have never had issue with lock. And here is my 629 with lock. And the 627.
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You know a neat gun for you might be a S&W Model 69 a L Framed 5 shot .44 Magnum. I have read quite a bit on these guns they seem to be very nice guns. Plus opens you up to shooting also .44 Special plus .44 Magnum Just a thought, but I also have never had any issues with my S&W's never had to send in for service but also can say the same thing for my Rugers I have more Rugers then S&W's love both SA/DA Rugers that I have clearly my Ruger GP100 WC ranks as high to me as my S&W Model 66 no dash does!!!
That's a nice looking one. But if I ever got a new Smith, it would be either the 586 4-inch or the Model 10 or Model 29 from the Classics line. I prefer wood grips, not into synthetic or hogue ones, just can't get with those. I don't see myself getting a new Smith, with the lock, maybe it's unfounded,but I keep hearing people say they use MIM parts now and all, and maybe the lock would never affect the revolver's performance. Just unsure about it. I'd feel better about a pre-lock one, but buying used firearms kind of unnerves me slightly.

I always say go with your gut, and my gut tells me if I'm going to invest in a Smith, to go with a pre-lock one, do they still have their warranties?
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I don't see the problem with the lock, mine have smooth good triggers out of the box, the lock does not interfere. As far as the Ruger resale value it is comparable to S&W when the difference in retail price is taken into account. Plus some of the Rugers are collectable, like the Security Six models.

I have two Smiths with Hillary locks, and they both function perfectly, but I don't use the locks. A model 21 that is a great carry piece for a N frame, the tapered barrel keeps the weight down a few ounces. The other is a model 625 which I chose over the Ruger because, I could not get my hands on a Ruger. I am very happy with both, they both shoot very tight cloverleaf groups.

I buy a gun for it's function, yes pretty guns are nice. I think you are short sheeting the new Smiths. It is your choice in the long run, but the current production are quality firearms, just a might more expensive then they used to be.
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I think it's a model 19. I'd rather have a .44magnum, but this one is nice. Selling a spare SP101 that I've rarely shot to help towards it. I love Rugers but in future I won't be buying one unless I know I'm going to keep it, because their resale is lousy! I've taken this sp to several pawn shops and the lowest offer I got was 250 (ridiculous) and the highest was 325, still crazy low. I almost laughed in their faces at those offers. If it was a Smith, I'd bet it'd get way more.

I really really love Smiths, my dad thinks they're the best guns ever, and I've always wanted one but haven't had one yet. I absolutely hate the internal lock though, I really love some of the new Smiths, especially the Classics line, but I just can't stomach the lock on them. Looks like Smith would at least remove the locks from their new classics line. It would seem to me that Smith's sales of new revolvers would have to be pretty dismal with the locks, so why don't they remove them? If you're a parent who lets a child near a gun, then you've already failed as a parent, so why are the locks even there? Don't get it. I just couldn't stomach owning one of those I don't think. But based on my experience I'd bet you could take a new Smith and a new Ruger Blackhawk or Redhawk to a pawnshop and the Ruger would only get like a 350 dollar or 300 offer, while the Smith would be a lot closer to the original retail. Ruger's resale is atrocious. I won't have another Ruger unless it's one I absolutely want to keep for myself, like my GP100.
If a pawn shop thinks they can sell it for $500, they aren't going to pay much over $250 for it. To a gun shop, trade in on a used firearm is about half of retail.

If you want the S&W more than the pile of cash it costs to buy it, then you should go ahead and buy it. If not, then don't.
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Smiths are nice guns but they aren't the mythical creatures a lot of fans make them out to be. I think the biggest thing S&W has going for them is that they have LOTS of different models to choose from. If you can't find something you like from their lineup you probably need therapy lol. It used to be that S&W had much better triggers than Ruger but it's not the case anymore with Ruger having improved their game since those days. Of course the S&W Performance Center guns have a trigger that no stock Ruger will come close to but it's hardly a fair comparison. Send a Ruger to have it's action worked and it'll come back as sweet as a S&W PC revolver.

I also have no problems with the locks on modern S&W's. I don't like them and I don't use the one on my gun but it doesn't affect the performance of the gun in any way. I know that there were some issues with them early on but I've not heard of any issues since. My 629 packs a punch and if that recoil can't induce a problem I feel perfectly safe with it. Besides if they bother you that much they can be removed and even have the hole plugged.

Don't give up on the modern guns just because of the lock, you'll be missing out on a lot of great guns. This is my S&W 629 V-Comp PC .44 magnum currently still equipped with a Trijicon RMR.

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You can't go wrong with a decent S&W revolver. I like the N-frames (large frames) and have a model 28 & 29, both 4" revolvers. Confirm the model number with dash as in an earlier post by North Country Gal.
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Update..I bought the gun! Normally wouldn't buy used, but this one I couldn't resist. It cost a pretty penny but when I handled it and saw it at Bud's I knew I had to have it. Luckily it was still there. It's a Smith Model 19-3 from 1977, K-frame. Pinned barrel, recessed cylinder, hammer firing pin, you name it! It's nickel plated. I absolutely love it. Haven't shot it yet, but looking forward to. Mostly will stick to .38's out of this one. Still figuring out which cleaning solution to use on her, to give her a nice polishing. S&W told me Hoppes Elite was ok, or Ballistol, just no ammonia. Got a case from S&W to keep her in too. Here's a pic.

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Congrats, looks nice!
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That is a beauty, I agree. You're going to love shooting it with 38s or 357s, but K frames and 38s are a perfect match in my book.

I use Hope's Elite is on all of my revolvers. Not cheap, but it does a great job.
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Yea S&W told me to use Hoppes Elite too. Going to go with that and some Rem Oil and maybe a little Renaissance Wax to give it a little shine. My first ever S&W gun.
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That's a nice gun, I love nickel guns.

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Looks like Smith would at least remove the locks from their new classics line.
On "classic" guns It's not just the hole I find distasteful it's the MIM also.
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The guy at Bud's showed me a new S&W, which was a decent gun, but it just felt well different than the older ones. The finish is different, they just look and feel cheap to me. All I see when I see the new smiths are the lawyer lock. I just can't get with that. Yea and the fact that they use MIM parts. That being said, they also had a nice Model 10, which was nice, and another Model 19, blued, absolutely gorgeous. For me if buying a Smith, used pre-lock is the only way to go.

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If MIM parts are such an issue better stay away from the newer GP100 (MIM trigger) and SP101 (MIM hammer and trigger).
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I traded my sp101 in. Got the Smith 19 in place of it. No regrets!
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