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Old November 14th, 2008, 08:55 AM   #1
 
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Wow, I would love to own one of these. Seems like it is a great home defense weapon.




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Old November 14th, 2008, 09:22 AM   #2
 
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Sorry, but I would advise against it.....for several reasons.

The quality of the Judge leaves a LOT to be desired. Pretty sloppy production and assembly.

If you are considering using the so called Winchester 410 rounds for SD, forget it. The 5 balls .360 Dia if memory serves rattle down the barrel and scatter to the winds upon leaving the barrel not only because of the rifling, but the bullets just rattling down the barrel. I tried these and just about decided the safest place to be would be about 15 feet right in front of the gun. The 410 birdshot round are not a lot better, but are a little. This is because the shot is contained in a wad, and although the wad is rotating, there is enough shot in alignment for at least some to be on target.

Although the Judge will fire 45 Colt, because of the long jump the bullet must make upon leaving the case, allows hot gas leak around the bullet, eroding it, and there is no guarantee the bullet will hit the forcing cone square. Because of both the gas leaking, and bullet free travel in the cylinder greatly reduces power and accuracy.

I have a 410/45 chambered weapon. Ultimately I fire formed 444 Marlin cases to 410. These are loaded with 15grs of Herco under a 410 wad with four .360 Dia balls. At SD ranges, the spread on these balls is about 2 inches. This is because the balls are lined up, one behind the other and held in that position by the wad, which the rifling imparts a spin. Since they are just spinning around the centerline of the bore, scattering is minimal.

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Old November 14th, 2008, 10:40 AM   #3
 
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Wow, I would love to own one of these. Seems like it is a great home defense weapon.




Argyle, How do you like yours?
It's a fun gun, but definitely a novelty weapon. I have the 6" barrel, not the short one, which makes it reasonably accurate at 25 yds with 45s. If you look at the targets shown by Taurus in the ads for it, they are shot from a distance of 6 ft - that's right, 2 yards. At 7 yds even with the 6" barrel, the shot dispersion from the .410 is so wide that it would not have much effect.

In general, I think it fills a psychological niche - for those cases where you want to seriously discourage someone without dispatching them. I'm reading "In the Gravest Extreme" and really thinking about all the implications of killing someone, even in self-defense. I'm sure I would have no problem with it with adrenaline rushing through my system, but I've done many things in the heat of the moment that I had 2nd thoughts about afterward.

Where other guns are considered "belly guns", I would call this a "face gun." A full load of bird shot in the face at a few feet is probably more disorienting than a .357 that doesn't break a bone or sever an artery. Think of it as the harshest possible warning you can issue to someone to cease and desist aggression. I think it would fit the needs nicely of a guy who wants to give a gun to his wife or GF who doesn't particularly like guns, and really doesn't want to hurt or kill anyone, but who really, REALLY, doesn't want to let anyone hurt her.

The short-barreled version would be a good anti-carjacking gun.

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The short-barreled version would be a good anti-carjacking gun.
So is a flamethrower Halon fire extinguishers work well, too.

If you are being carjacked, and feel threatened enough to resort to deadly force, don't hint around at it. Use bullets, not noise to protect yourself.
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If you do a search on youtube.com there are quite a few videos showing the Judge and firing it. Don't own one, everyone I work with wants one, but so far no buyers.
Also, if you do a Google search, there are many magazine reviews to read, referencing it. Biggest complaints are, lack of shells available for purchase in different shot #s, and poor penetration with buckshot.
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you all just burst my bubble....
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So is a flamethrower Halon fire extinguishers work well, too.

If you are being carjacked, and feel threatened enough to resort to deadly force, don't hint around at it. Use bullets, not noise to protect yourself.
I would be willing to bet that not 1 person in 100 has the skills and presence of mind to make an effective shot - cross body, and without aiming - against someone trying to get in their car door. In my state, it is actually legal to carry a firearm in a car without any sort of permit. I have a full-sized service revolver, but if I loaned my car to my sister there is no way I would expect her to be able to use it.

Like I said, a niche gun. I believe that even non-Rambos have the right to defend themselves, even if they do so rather sloppily.
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you all just burst my bubble....
And saved you about 500 bucks in the process.

It's a fun gun, but for about $150 less you can get a Charter Arms Bulldog .44, load it with Glaser safety slugs for the first 2 chambers, and get much the same result.
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I have a full-sized service revolver, but if I loaned my car to my sister there is no way I would expect her to be able to use it.

Like I said, a niche gun. I believe that even non-Rambos have the right to defend themselves, even if they do so rather sloppily.
...the car or the pistol....

Argyle, I agree that not everyone has the ability to shoot as you mentioned. However, I also think that a carjacker is likely to be armed, and I wouldn't want any question as to whether commonly available ammunition would be effective. Birdshot through a car window, with enough umph on the other side? I'll need a little convincing on that, but I suppose you're right. It is a niche gun, and would indeed be better suited to some people and situations than others. And it is certainly better than being unarmed.
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If you want one, then buy it. I got one with the 6"bbl just to play around with. My son and I had a blast shooting clay birds and soda cans tossed up in the air with it. I shot 2.5" 410's in shot size 4, 6, 8, and 9. I bought some S&B buckshot loads but have not tried them yet. Just remember, it is what it is. The shot pattern opens up pretty fast. You won't hit much past 20 yards when it's loaded with the birdshot. Like I said if you want one to play around with it's alot of fun. It is not my defense gun and I haven't shot any 45LC out of it yet. I don't know what they are going for retail. My friend has an FFL and I got mine for wholesale lastyear. I think I paid $326 plus about $15 shipping for the 6" blue model NIB.
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I don't know what they are going for retail. My friend has an FFL and I got mine for wholesale lastyear. I think I paid $326 plus about $15 shipping for the 6" blue model NIB.
That was a great deal! Going price around here is about $480 for the 6", and about $50 more for the shorter one.

If I had it to do over again, I probably wouldn't buy it, and if I bought one I would definitely get the version that takes the 3" magnums.
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Wonder how it would do 410 slugs. I've seen those even at my local Wal-Mart, surprisingly enough. That would probably be the best use in them.

But I think I'd rather have one of these in 44 Special than the Judge.
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I intend to try the 45 LC next time I shoot it. Now I'll have to get a box or 2 of the 410slugs and try them too! I like the Bond arms too. I love to watch Bob Munden shoot long range with his on the TV show American shooter. I forgot how long the shot was but it was amazing.
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Before I get a fun gun like the Judge, I think i need something a bit more practical. I have been looking at the Mossberg Persuader w/ pistol grip. I can get one at Academy Sports for $275.00
anyone want to donate some money?
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My Dad bought a Judge about two months ago. I've fired both .410 shells and .45LC through it. In both instances I felt something hit my face as it was fired (powder I guess) It wasn't terribly unpleasant, but noticable none the less.

Overall I liked it, I don't know that I would rush out and buy one, but it's pretty fun to shoot.

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