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Old September 20th, 2013, 07:00 AM   #1
 
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Dovetail to Weaver adapter

Has anyone ever used one of these? I just traded into a Savage MKII with dovetail mounts for scope rings and after mounting the scope I gotta say I hate the whole setup. Are there decent dovetail rings or is it better to switch to one of these Weaver adapters? Im going to throw one of the Nikon Prostaff rimfires on there if it makes any difference.



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Vendetta, I bought Redfield steel rings and find they are excellent for the 3/8" grooved receivers (what you are calling "dovetail"). Most of the cheap Chinese made aluminum rings are pretty grim. Weaver makes their Quad-Lock rings in 3/8" ... also a very good product for 10 bucks at Wal-Mart.
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Vendetta, I bought Redfield steel rings and find they are excellent for the 3/8" grooved receivers (what you are calling "dovetail"). Most of the cheap Chinese made aluminum rings are pretty grim. Weaver makes their Quad-Lock rings in 3/8" ... also a very good product for 10 bucks at Wal-Mart.
Thanks for the hint on Redfield rings. My Henrys have the 3/8" groove or tipoff groove and I'm limited on rings if I go to a 1" scope. Most of the tipoff rings I've found have too high of a rise.
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Vendetta, I bought Redfield steel rings and find they are excellent for the 3/8" grooved receivers (what you are calling "dovetail"). Most of the cheap Chinese made aluminum rings are pretty grim. Weaver makes their Quad-Lock rings in 3/8" ... also a very good product for 10 bucks at Wal-Mart.
Grooved receiver is a better way of putting it probably. I might have to check into the Weaver ones. Thanks. I am not a fan of the ones that came with the rifle. I think they were designed to be able to use the iron sights or scope and the scope sits about 2 inches off the barrel.
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These are the best I have come across for 3/8" grooved receiver so far...haven't bought any yet but plan to...

BKL Technologies - Scope Rings and Mounts - Made in the USA

The next best imo would be the Burris signature...

As much as I like Quad Lock rings in 7/8" the 3/8" are cheezy imo...but still better than most cheap 3/8"-11mm rings you will come across...some crappy ones even cost more...

If I was using a pricey target pistol I would go all out and get BKL if they fit the gun overall...
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303lithgow, Here's a picture of my Henry H001T with a Tasco 3~9x32mm scope. The OD of the objective lens shroud is 40mm. After much trial and error, I decided to use Weaver Medium Quad-Lock tip off rings. This was a tricky installation ... to get proper eye relief, proper scope height, and clearance for the hammer spur, I had to remove the rear sight (very easy ... it just pushes out). I installed a sight blank to fill the ugly dovetail slot. I tried a set of Redfield High rings and had just enough clearance where I didn't need to remove the rear sight, however it placed the scope too high. High rings make the installation much easier but in my case, it was worth the extra effort to get the scope a little lower.

Here's my criteria for testing a scope mount ... close my eyes, shoulder the rifle, get a good cheek weld, then open my shootin' eye. If the scope is positioned properly for eye relief and height, I will get an instant clear view through the scope. If the scope is not positioned properly I will get vignetting (dark areas on the outer edges).



BTW, the Henry Rifle, scope, and mounts makes for a very accurate combination. I was shooting 3/4" groups @ 60 yards from a bench rest with magnification set at 6X ... about twice that from off hand using 4X. I used CCI Mini-Mags and didn't try any other brand so there's hope another brand might even be better.

As soon as I recover from recent prostate surgery, I will dash out to Cabala's and buy a new 2~7x32mm Nikon P-22 Rimfire scope and mount it on this Henry.
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As soon as I recover from recent prostate surgery, I will dash out to Cabala's and buy a new 2~7x32mm Nikon P-22 Rimfire scope and mount it on this Henry.
Here's to a speedy recovery...!!!

Are you going to lower the eye level when you get the smaller objective...

I have a bolt gun that used to hunt short range in thick woods as kid that need could really use one of 303's vintage long tube scopes...to get the eye relief correct (has a very long LOP) w/o having to use a massive scope or raise eye level a lot...the gun is no tack driver to begin with but the original factory irons are worthless to me at this point in time...the vx-1 28mm scope I have is too short in the front tube to get the mount far enough to the rear w/o a cantilever mount and I don't want an erector set project going on this gun...I have had it since 59...don't want to do anything to it other than be able to sight accurately out to 40 yards...
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ZommyGun,

When you have a 1" tube and use the same rings, the center of the scope will not change .. it will always be .5" from the lower ring saddle no matter what the diameter of the front lens ... that's assuming the lens bell doesn't touch the barrel.

Turns out ... the Nikon 2~7x P-22 is also a 32mm with a 40mm lens bell so it will fit the rings just perfect. The P-22 is a bit shorter and has a more generous eye relief, not to mention much better optics. I have a P-22 on another rifle and tried it on the Henry ... looks like a go without any further changes.

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Thanks! The Dr told me today it could be as long as 3 months before I can assume normal activities. I hope he is wrong ... I'm about to go stir crazy as it is. Not being able to shoot is bad enough but I can't work in my shop or reload either ... guess the Ruger forum will just have to put up with my chatter for a while.
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ZommyGun,

When you have a 1" tube and use the same rings, the center of the scope will not change .. it will always be .5" from the lower ring saddle no matter what the diameter of the front lens ... that's assuming the lens bell doesn't touch the barrel.

Turns out ... the Nikon 2~7x P-22 is also a 32mm with a 40mm lens bell so it will fit the rings just perfect. The P-22 is a bit shorter and has a more generous eye relief, not to mention much better optics. I have a P-22 on another rifle and tried it on the Henry ... looks like a go without any further changes.

Thanks! The Dr told me today it could be as long as 3 months before I can assume normal activities. I hope he is wrong ... I'm about to go stir crazy as it is. Not being able to shoot is bad enough but I can't work in my shop or reload either ... guess the Ruger forum will just have to put up with my chatter for a while.
I apologize... I read the part about the Tasco 3-9x32mm having a 40mm o.d. object but somehow it stuck as a 3-9x40mm... so I was thinking you going down in obj o.d. but actually the p-22 has a bigger than most o.d. for a 32mm lens... I have a cheapo 3-9x32mm the obj. o.d is 1.52" the p-22 is 1.67" according to midway which is usually accurate info...

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okay...I guess we owe it to you to keep you entertained then...

Does it hurt when you laugh...???

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ZommyGun, Yes, the P-22's lens bell is a tad larger but no problem. You can't see it in the photo but there is a gap between the lens bell and barrel ... enough to get a scope cap on with a P-22 and just a little room to spare.

Does it hurt when I laugh? No ... good thing because I laughed when I read your question. It only hurts when the catheter gets snagged.
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These are the best I have come across for 3/8" grooved receiver so far...haven't bought any yet but plan to...

BKL Technologies - Scope Rings and Mounts - Made in the USA

The next best imo would be the Burris signature...

As much as I like Quad Lock rings in 7/8" the 3/8" are cheezy imo...but still better than most cheap 3/8"-11mm rings you will come across...some crappy ones even cost more...

If I was using a pricey target pistol I would go all out and get BKL if they fit the gun overall...
Those BKL rings look great! I may have to spoil myself a bit and grab one of those setups.
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Those BKL rings look great! I may have to spoil myself a bit and grab one of those setups.
I was hoping someone on here would get some first and take detailed pics for me...
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ZommyGun, Yes, the P-22's lens bell is a tad larger but no problem. You can't see it in the photo but there is a gap between the lens bell and barrel ... enough to get a scope cap on with a P-22 and just a little room to spare.

Does it hurt when I laugh? No ... good thing because I laughed when I read your question. It only hurts when the catheter gets snagged.
Looks you are going to win the 32mm division limbo contest...!

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You are lucky...I was going to torture you...I apologize in advance for being such a pita...
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I have a 10/.22 Take Down and I also used the $10.00 Redfield mounts in I believe Med. to mount a Cabela's 3 x 9 x 40 caliber specific and it was a perfect for me.
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303lithgow, Here's a picture of my Henry H001T with a Tasco 3~9x32mm scope. The OD of the objective lens shroud is 40mm. After much trial and error, I decided to use Weaver Medium Quad-Lock tip off rings. This was a tricky installation ... to get proper eye relief, proper scope height, and clearance for the hammer spur, I had to remove the rear sight (very easy ... it just pushes out). I installed a sight blank to fill the ugly dovetail slot. I tried a set of Redfield High rings and had just enough clearance where I didn't need to remove the rear sight, however it placed the scope too high. High rings make the installation much easier but in my case, it was worth the extra effort to get the scope a little lower.

Here's my criteria for testing a scope mount ... close my eyes, shoulder the rifle, get a good cheek weld, then open my shootin' eye. If the scope is positioned properly for eye relief and height, I will get an instant clear view through the scope. If the scope is not positioned properly I will get vignetting (dark areas on the outer edges).



BTW, the Henry Rifle, scope, and mounts makes for a very accurate combination. I was shooting 3/4" groups @ 60 yards from a bench rest with magnification set at 6X ... about twice that from off hand using 4X. I used CCI Mini-Mags and didn't try any other brand so there's hope another brand might even be better.

As soon as I recover from recent prostate surgery, I will dash out to Cabala's and buy a new 2~7x32mm Nikon P-22 Rimfire scope and mount it on this Henry.
Thanks. This was real helpful as I was wondering about the rings. I'm still on the road and have several pair of 3/8" rings to pick from at home and am hoping I have the right ones.

I wish you well with your prostate surgery. I had in ten years ago this October and am currently cancer free.
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