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Old September 16th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #1
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Rimfire Scope

I'm looking for another rimfire scope. I have several Weaver and Leupold scope but am wondering about Nikon and other brands. What scope do you have and what to you like and dislike about them? I will be putting them on a Henry and 10/22.



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Rimfire Scope

Most of my 22 rimfires wear a Nikon 4x32. I wait for them to go on sale for sub-$100 and buy a few at a time.

Most of my other rifles wear Nikons of varying powers.

Owning a couple dozen or more Nikons over many years and trips to ranges, I have zero hesitation about recommending them.
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Have a Nikon Prostaff 3-9 scope on my Marlin 22 magnum. Well made and very bright. Wouldn't want anything else.
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I have the Nikon P-22 and I really like it. It is the model with the Nikoplex reticle and extra turret. Very clear optics and nice detents on the turrets.

Amazon.com: Nikon P-22 2-7x32 Matte NP (Extra Turret): Sports & Outdoors
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Being that you mentioned the Henry and 10/22, I'm assuming that you are looking for a short scope. Unless it is a customized 10/22, a large scope would look ridiculous on either gun. A large scope would also serve to make a short handy rifle unbalanced.

Otherwise, I was going to say; take a look at Mueller's line of scope. They make some decent scopes that are a great value for the price. Mueller Rifle scopes
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303lithgow, This is a very popular topic with lots of opinions. You are off to a good start by at least narrowing it down to a "rimfire" scope. These scopes typically are parallax corrected for common 22 LR shooting distances ... not like a high power rifle scope corrected for 100~150 yards.

The typical hunting or plinking shooting distance for a 22 LR is 25~75 yards. Anything more really falls into a target rifle category. Using the shooting industry standard for a 22 LR ... magnification should be about 1X for each 10 yards. So ... the most common rimfire scope in this magnification range would be a 2~7X. Both Leupold and Nikon make very nice scopes that will really surprise you ... excellent optics, built very sturdy, and sized right for a typical 22 rifle.

I'm going through one of those "senior situations" where my eyesight just doesn't work with iron sights so I've bought a few new scopes to put on my 22 rifles. Just a few days ago, I spent the day at my son's range .... sighting in 22 scopes. I already had a couple cheapies just to see how my guns would shoot with scopes. I put a cheap 3~9X rimfire Tasco on my Henry H001T. The gun shot really well ... under 1" groups at 60 yards from a bench rest on 6X, using CCI Mini-Mags. I will be replacing the Tasco with either a Nikon P-22 or a Leupold 2~7X rimfire scope in the near future. Turns out ... one of the rifles I was sighting in was a 22 LR Savage MK II, bolt action and I had already mounted a Nikon P-22 on it. I really like this scope ... excellent for the $$$. I put a Leuopld 2~7x rimfire scope on my 10/22. I was impressed with the scope but not so much with the 10/22's accuracy ... 2~2.5" groups @ 60 yards. I realize this is actually pretty good for an out-of-the-box 10/22 and it will make a great little plinker.

Having both the Nikon and Leupold 2~7x side-by-side ... I can honestly say the optics in both scopes are excellent and both are mechanically sturdy. Some people may favor the reticle in one brand versus the other ... personal preference. Nikons are parallax corrected for 50 yards, whereas Leupolds are set at 60 yards. No big deal ... they both track parallax excellent when using the 1X per 10 yards. I also bought a new Nikon 3~9X rimfire (ProStaff) ... thinking it would be nice to go out to 90~100 yards. Big mistake .... parallax is corrected for 50 yards so at 80~90 yards, I was seeing excessive cross hair drift and a blurry target. Not sure what I'm going to do with it ... either readjust parallax for a farther distance or exchange it for another 2~7X, which is most likely. BTW, both the cheap Barska and Tasco 3~9 rimfires do the same thing so it's not just a Nikon thing. Funny though ... Leupold does NOT make a 3~9X rimfire scope ... probably for this very reason. An AO ring or side dial on a 3~9X rimfire would take care of parallax.

Bottom line ... I would highly recommend either a Nikon or a Leupold rimfire 2~7X scope. Both are equally great!
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From a purely personal perspective, if I have a scope that has greater than 6x magnification, I would always opt for one with parallax adjustment to ensure it is versatile for everything I want it to do.
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All of my scoped rimfire's sport Nikon Prostaff Rimfire scopes. Some have the fixed 4x32 Nikon's and others the 3-9x40 BDC 150's (my personal favorite). They are fantastic glass for the money and the best value anywhere in my opinion.

You can't go wrong with the Nikon Prostaff Rimfire scopes. I've got a fixed power on my Remington 514 which was my first gun ever. It was old, had a broken front sight and relegated to a dusty corner in a friend of my fathers house. He sold it to me for $10 and that Christmas my dad bought me a Bushnell 4x scope to go on it. None of this went over well with my mom but I liked guns and my dad had taught me gun safety when I got my first BB gun (a Daisy Winchester 94). Dad treated it just like a regular rifle and was strict when teaching me so I learned well. Anywho, he had the rifle drilled and tapped for the scope and I got my first real gun and with that scope I was like Annie Oakley shooting the tips off prairie grass or whatever I could find as a challenging target. Dad died just a few years afterwards and many years after that the wire cross hairs in the scope broke so it sat until last year when I replaced the scope with a similar scope for sentimental reasons (I kept that old Bushnell though, hoping maybe it could be fixed someday).

So that old 514 got it's first day in many years at the gun range this year with it's new optic and not surprisingly it was fantastically accurate even today.

My M&P15-22 is a Talo special edition with a match grade barrel so I gave it a Nikon 3-9x40 BDC 150 to take advantage of it's accuracy. The only. 22LR rifle I have without a Nikon Prostaff is my HK MP5 SD which got a Vortex Strikefire. It's surprisingly just as accurate or even more than my M&P15-22 but would have looked silly with a conventional scope on it.
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To add to what Iowegan says, I also own one Nikon Rimfire BDC 150 3-9x scope and my observations there are similar to what Iowegan stated: the parallax can be troublesome.

Nikon also has a 3-9x "Target EFR" which has parallax adjustment and is intended for rimfire use. I've owned one of those for several months but haven't gotten around to using it yet...I intend it for a 17 Mach 2 rifle. However, it is characteristic of the quality I see in my other Nikons.

As far as fixed power, I like them over variable power (on non-target rimfires anyway) because they're brighter and seem more rugged than their variable counterparts.

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Nikon also has a 3-9x "Target EFR" which has parallax adjustment and is intended for rimfire use. I've owned one of those for several months but haven't gotten around to using it yet...I intend it for a 17 Mach 2 rifle. However, it is characteristic of the quality I see in my other Nikons.
I have one of these on my Henry .44 Big Boy rifle - brilliant scope, excellent value for money.
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Knurl, I think you just solved my problem ... I'm going to take the 3~9 ProStaff back and get a 3~9 "Target EFR". Most people would not notice the parallax issues with the ProStaff ... however in my tests, I found 8x at 80 yards or 9x at 90 yards was way outside parallax tracking, which can cause the crosshairs to drift well over 2". 22 LRs have enough problems at longer shooting distances so adding crosshair drift to the mix just makes it worse. In other words ... anything over 7X with this scope only works well at 40~60 yards. If I want to stay in this distance range, a 2~7X would work fine.
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Funny though ... Leupold does NOT make a 3~9X rimfire scope ... probably for this very reason. An AO ring or side dial on a 3~9X rimfire would take care of parallax.

Bottom line ... I would highly recommend either a Nikon or a Leupold rimfire 2~7X scope. Both are equally great!
Leupold makes this Leupold Optics VX-2 3-9x33mm Ultralight EFR (includes Rimfire EFR) - | Leupold Optics

I bought one to put on my RA Rimfire. They are a little pricey, but I am sure it will last me the rest of my life. It is very clear and you can eliminate the parallax at any distance.
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303lithgow, This is a very popular topic with lots of opinions. You are off to a good start by at least narrowing it down to a "rimfire" scope. These scopes typically are parallax corrected for common 22 LR shooting distances ... not like a high power rifle scope corrected for 100~150 yards.

The typical hunting or plinking shooting distance for a 22 LR is 25~75 yards. Anything more really falls into a target rifle category. Using the shooting industry standard for a 22 LR ... magnification should be about 1X for each 10 yards. So ... the most common rimfire scope in this magnification range would be a 2~7X. Both Leupold and Nikon make very nice scopes that will really surprise you ... excellent optics, built very sturdy, and sized right for a typical 22 rifle.

I'm going through one of those "senior situations" where my eyesight just doesn't work with iron sights so I've bought a few new scopes to put on my 22 rifles. Just a few days ago, I spent the day at my son's range .... sighting in 22 scopes. I already had a couple cheapies just to see how my guns would shoot with scopes. I put a cheap 3~9X rimfire Tasco on my Henry H001T. The gun shot really well ... under 1" groups at 60 yards from a bench rest on 6X, using CCI Mini-Mags. I will be replacing the Tasco with either a Nikon P-22 or a Leupold 2~7X rimfire scope in the near future. Turns out ... one of the rifles I was sighting in was a 22 LR Savage MK II, bolt action and I had already mounted a Nikon P-22 on it. I really like this scope ... excellent for the $$$. I put a Leuopld 2~7x rimfire scope on my 10/22. I was impressed with the scope but not so much with the 10/22's accuracy ... 2~2.5" groups @ 60 yards. I realize this is actually pretty good for an out-of-the-box 10/22 and it will make a great little plinker.

Having both the Nikon and Leupold 2~7x side-by-side ... I can honestly say the optics in both scopes are excellent and both are mechanically sturdy. Some people may favor the reticle in one brand versus the other ... personal preference. Nikons are parallax corrected for 50 yards, whereas Leupolds are set at 60 yards. No big deal ... they both track parallax excellent when using the 1X per 10 yards. I also bought a new Nikon 3~9X rimfire (ProStaff) ... thinking it would be nice to go out to 90~100 yards. Big mistake .... parallax is corrected for 50 yards so at 80~90 yards, I was seeing excessive cross hair drift and a blurry target. Not sure what I'm going to do with it ... either readjust parallax for a farther distance or exchange it for another 2~7X, which is most likely. BTW, both the cheap Barska and Tasco 3~9 rimfires do the same thing so it's not just a Nikon thing. Funny though ... Leupold does NOT make a 3~9X rimfire scope ... probably for this very reason. An AO ring or side dial on a 3~9X rimfire would take care of parallax.

Bottom line ... I would highly recommend either a Nikon or a Leupold rimfire 2~7X scope. Both are equally great!
Thanks, I have both Weaver and Leupold rimfire scopes. I noticed you had a Leupold on a Henry and I liked that look. I'm thinking of a fixed 4X scope as I have both fixed and variable scopes.

In another post you talked about over powered scopes for the distance and that you often don't shoot correctly because all the movement makes you not concentrate. At the time I thought what a bunch of bull but after trying it with a 24X at 50 yards I know what you are talking about. But it also shows you your faults. After using it for a short time I was able to improve my shooting and then when I went back to a 4X I shot it much better.
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Being that you mentioned the Henry and 10/22, I'm assuming that you are looking for a short scope. Unless it is a customized 10/22, a large scope would look ridiculous on either gun. A large scope would also serve to make a short handy rifle unbalanced.

Otherwise, I was going to say; take a look at Mueller's line of scope. They make some decent scopes that are a great value for the price. Mueller Rifle scopes
It all depends on the long scope you are using. This is a replica of a rifle scope made in 1855.

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Scotch827, I wasn't very clear ...Leupold does make the EFR (with an AO) but they don't make a standard 3~9X rimfire without an AO ... sorry for being misleading. Yes, 500 bucks is quite an investment for a 22 rifle ... it costs more than either of 303lithgow's rifles.

303lithgow, That's a nifty setup with the Malcolm ... looks just like something out of the Civil War era.

What's missing in your quest for a scope is the intended use. If you plan to shoot from a bench rest, you can cope with the drawbacks of higher magnification. If you shoot "off hand" ... pretty much everything dealing with higher magnification works AGAINST you ... instead of FOR you. Here's some issues related to higher magnification: eye relief will be more critical, parallax will be much more critical, field of view is restricted, .... then there's the "wiggle factor" where anything much over 4X is hard to maintain a good aim without the crosshairs dancing.

In years past, fixed power scopes indeed had better optics than a similar priced variable. Technology has changed all of that ... newer variable power scopes are brighter, mechanically rugged, sized about the same, and are now on a level playing field with fixed power scopes. Variable power scopes add a very significant feature ... versatility for shooting at different distances. One thing I really push is to adjust magnification for the distance you are shooting ... about 1X per 10 yards is optimum for a 22 LR. That keeps the target the same size as if you were shooting at 10 yards without compromising the affects of excessive magnification. For off hand shooting, you can always crank the magnification down to a point where the "wiggle factor" is tolerable.
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