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Old September 9th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #1
 
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Williams Ace in the Hole

Hey all!

Just decided on a peep sight for my 10/22 Carbine Stainless bbl. I went with the Ace in the Hole by Williams because of the good reviews of the regular WGRS RU22 and the fact that I can mount an optic later if I want to. To be honest, I'm not crazy about the look of an open Picatinny rail, but found the future function of it to be worth the tactical mohawk look for now.

However, I was surprised to see that the front of the rail hangs over the receiver by almost a half inch. Ugly. I was wondering if anyone has modified their Ace in the Hole and cut that overhang off?

Is that length needed for future optic mounting? (red dot OR scope)

If I hacksaw, then file, what paint would I use to color the bare steel black again (both for looks and protection?)


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Old September 9th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #2
 
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PS: The Williams Twilight Apertures are awesome! so much better than the straight black, IMO. worth the extra $2
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Well, I really like the overall look, but what is up with that overhang? That does distort its appearance a bit. I'm guessing you can hack it off with a saw and a file and touch it up or repaint the whole thing. Is it steel or aluminum? The latter will be easier to cut. I like the setup and am glad the sights are working well for you!
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Is it steel or aluminum? The latter will be easier to cut.
Pretty sure it's aluminum. Feel like it, but can't find a description where it says. The description of a different fiberoptic sight set for the 10/22 on Williams's website calls the front sight "steel" and the rear sight "metallic." haha.

what would you use to paint it? Model paint? i would just paint the severed end, not the whole thing, ideally.
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Maybe someone has a better suggestion, but I would use whatever was available, worked, and looked good. Model paint should work. Going to the hardware or auto store for small quantities or touch-up paint should work. The area is small, so it's just a quick touch up. I might tape off the rail so I would have nice even coverage.
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put a magnet to it to find out weather it is steele or aluminum.
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It's aluminum.

I went out to sight it in yesterday, and I found that I could reliably hit propped up clays at 100 yards with the smaller (.050) aperture!

The recoil and bolt action did not loosen the elevation and windage screws at all like many report, but I noticed my aperture shot loose a couple times.

I found I had to adjust the windage pretty far to the right. Looks a bit funny that far off center, but its prob better than the front sight hanging off into space up front!
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Viceroy, did you ever figure out what's going on with that overhang?

I was just looking at my 10/22 Takedown, with Ace in the hole sights, and the rail stops right at the end of the receiver as it should. That is bizarre. It makes me think that maybe Williams messed up by machining it wrong and leaving too much material.

Sounds like they work one way or another.

Hope you figure it out. I totally love those sights on my rifle.
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I think mine does a bit. Hard to tell from this pic tho. I'll have to check it later.
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yea, it overhangs pretty far on mine...looks like you've got the same issue, Hipower. I'm not in a hurry to chop it though. Not a huge deal.

Although....I cranked down my elevation screw pretty hard once I got it sighted (reviews consistently say they wiggle loose.) Since the sighting was done, i went plinking cans and potatoes and clays @ 100yards for about 90 rounds, then went back to my precise target....and...

It was shooting high! Argh. I checked my markings right away, and nothing had changed or moved, but then upon closer inspection, I noticed that the front edge (the edge closest to the barrel) of the dovetail on the Peep was lifted up pretty high, by the cranking I did on the screw. The dovetail on the peep isn't super tight, obviously so it can slide and be adjusted easily, but there is enough play that if you tighten the elevation screw down enough it WILL lift the sight up a bit too! I wanna back it out to lower it a bit, but am afraid it will then be too loose.

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Anyone else notice this on their Williams peep?
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Is that the factory provided picitanny rail? Ive never seen a rail with hang over like that. Id try to find the one that came with the rifle or you could get one for not too much money. Jmho
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Came with the sight.
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The rail is the sight base and provides for elevation adjustment too
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Couple shots of mine. I apologize for the crappy cell phone pics.
You can see that its finished on the end and the edges are contoured.
I wonder if Williams would send you a replacement? Unless its not important to you, then carry on.

I have my sights sitting right about in the middle elevation and windage and it shoots pretty dead on. I usually just have a small screwdriver with me to tighten things up if necessary. I shot the crap out of it today, fun day at the range.
Anyway good luck.
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