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Old December 9th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #1
 
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Scope for 10/22 Target Rifle

Hello. I'm building a 10/22 target rifle with the hopes of putting multiple shots into one hole at relatively close distances (local range is only 25 yards). So I need a scope with parallax adjustment down to 25, preferably 10, yards. I pick up the gun on Tuesday (CA 10 day wait) and my boyd target stock and Whistlepig bull barrel have already arrived. I was thinking of moving a bushnell E3200 10x40 scope from one of my Remington 700s to the Ruger but I just figured out that it has no parallax adjustment.

For those of you who have never tried it, if you shoot a rifle with fixed parallax set for 100 yards at 25 yards, the results aren't very satisfying. When you focus the rifle at 25 yards, the focal plane moves away from the reticle so that a tiny movement of the eye creates a great movement of the crosshair on the target. I actually found I can shoot more accurately leaving it focused on 100 yards and shooting at the center of the fuzzy blur that is the bullseye.

So parallax adjustment is a must for me. I don't want to spend a mint. Also, I'm finding many of the more expensive scopes don't have parallax adjustment or only adjust down to 50 yards.

I'm a bushnell fan but can't find anything in their line with parallax adjustment down that low--maybe just a website weakness. Not sure.

I've started considering some of the less expensive Chinese scopes. I was at a gun show yesterday and I overheard someone ask "Is this a real BSA?" I laughed since BSA is already a cheap Chinese scope I thought it would hardly be copied. But it got me curious and I googled them and surprisingly, I found mostly positive reviews. So the BSA Contender 4-16x - 40 is under consideration.

I looked at the Vortex Diamondback at the show and it seems pretty nice and is available under $200. I just need to make sure the one online for $189 has the parallax adjustment. I was told that it is made in the phillipines with Japanese glass just like the Viper series but have yet to confirm that.

Burris?

So what are the popular scopes people put on their 10 22s for accurate target shooting?

Thanks,
Jerry

ps first post. thanks in advance for your help.



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Old December 9th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #2
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Carlsbad, Last year I took a chance on a new scope that had great advertised features, however it is made in China. After lusting on the Internet, I just happened to locate one at a gun show, gave it a good inspection, then bought it new for $169. The scope is a Niko Stirling "Night Eater" ... 3.5~10X 42mm, 1" tube, w/side dial. I installed this scope on my 10/22 hybrid target gun .... 20" Green Mountain barrel with a Fajen thumb hole target stock. This turned out to be an excellent combination for target shooting. The parallax correction side dial works like a champ and goes from 10 feet to 300+ yards ... way farther than my 10/22 will ever shoot. I liked this scope so much that I bought and installed another one on my Savage 22 bolt target rifle. Here's a link:
Nikko Stirling - Optics for Sport, since 1956

Last week, my shooting buddy and I went to the farm and shot the best groups ever from both guns. With the target set at 75 yards, about 60 deg, dead calm winds, and no insects, my 10/22 custom got several 10 shot groups under 1/2" with the best being .35" ...... that works out to .437 MOA. My Savage shot even better with the best of the best at 1/4" (.31 MOA). You could cover the 10 shot group with the end of a cigarette filter. I would say the scopes worked about as perfect as possible. Of course we cheated and fired from a bench rest over sandbags using Wolf Target Match ammo.

I mounted the Night Eater on my 10/22 using the standard Ruger weaver style base and Weaver Quad Lock high rings. The objective lens clears the barrel just enough where the included scope caps will work. The Weaver base for my Savage Mark II BTVS is a tad lower so I only get about the thickness of a business card clearance between the objective lens and barrel, which means the front scope cap won't work without modification. I'll dig up a photo.

BTW, Burris rimfire scopes and many of their other models are now made in the Philippines ... not that it matters.

Edited to add: Here's my 10/22 with the Niko Stiriling Scope

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How much magnification do you require?

If a 3-9x mag range is OK for you then the Nikon Pro-Staff 3-9x40 EFR Target is a superb scope for the money. Parallax adjustable from well under 10 yards out to infinity.
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Rockdrill,
I checked the prostaff and it has fixed prallax settings meaning it will be very hard to shoot accurately at 25. thanks, Jerry
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lowegan,
Sorry for the slow reply. I lost my thread for a couple of days. Forgot I put it in "optics".

Thanks for the great review. I will look at the Nighteater tonight. I'm picking up my 10/22 at Turners and I've noticed nikko stirling in their display case. Sounds like your results speak for themselves.

What stock and barrel do you have on that rifle?

And I don't consider benchrest to be cheating. However, I did find a video on youtube of a guy hitting a 600 yd target (I think with .308) in a seated position without any support.

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I think you will find for 25 Yard shooting ( that's what you said )
Anything over 6 power is overkill, I shoot very, very, well as in 1/4" groups all day long off a bag at 24 yards with my scope at 4.5 power. It's only 75 feet. I'm shooting a stock Browning T-bolt heavy barrel, NO mods, Some days my wife out shoot me, she has a stock ruger 10/22 target rifle, Not one Mod on her gun either.
I mean you can shoot almost that good with a decent 1 MOA red dot at that range.
Target shooters do it all day long with Olympic style Iron sights.
I think you will find you will need some good bags to shoot off of if you want to shoot bug holes on a routine basis.
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Rockdrill,
I checked the prostaff and it has fixed prallax settings meaning it will be very hard to shoot accurately at 25. thanks, Jerry
Hi Jerry,

The model I quoted you is the 3-9x40 Target EFR which comes with an adjustable objective and as I have one at home I can confirm to you it definitely focusses to under 10 yards at full magnification.

The other Pro-Staff scopes are fixed parallax, I think you may have looked at the wrong model.

Here is a link to the scope at Optics Planet: Nikon ProStaff Target EFR 3-9x40 Rifle Scope FREE S&H 6734. Nikon Rifle Scopes.

Regards
Dale

Specs for the scope:

Magnification: 3x to 9x
Effective Objective Lens Diameter: 40mm
Reticle: Precision
Finish: Matte Black
Exit Pupil: 3x - 13.3mm; 9x - 4.4mm
Eye Relief: 3.6"
Field of View: 3x - 16.9' at 50 yards; 9x - 5.7' at 50 yards
Tube Diameter: 1"
Length: 12.5"
Weight: 15.7 oz
Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA at 50 yards
Maximum Internal Adjustment: 80 MOA
Parallax: 10 yds to Infinity

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Adjustment Click Value: 1/4 MOA at 50 yards
That's not bad, each click will move the sight 1/4" at 50 yards and 1/2" at 100 yards.
So at 25 yards each click of the adjustments will be 1/8 "
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Carlsbad, The barrel is a .920" match grade 20" with a Bentz chamber, made by Green Mountain. The good, the bad, and the ugly .... accuracy is superb with this barrel but the tight Bentz chamber makes feeding very fussy. Wolff Target match ammo shoots and cycles excellent but it is not cheap. Because I built this rifle to be a precision target gun, I don't mind using top quality ammo ... in fact I planned on it. I have tested this rifle with Federal bulk pack ammo and it is still quite accurate but because some of the bullets are slightly oversized, it's common to see the bolt stall before going to full battery. Some other brands of ammo are really bad and refuse to cycle ... ie Remington Golden bullet bulk pack, whereas CCI Mini-Mags seem to cycle pretty good but aren't quite as accurate as match grade ammo.

The stock is a Fajen that I bought on sale through Midway USA when this model was being discontinued. I think I paid $100 for it .... normally $150. What I like about this stock is the adjustable pull length (butt plate) and the adjustable cheek piece. As pictured above, the stock is adjusted perfectly for me where I can get a good cheek weld at the same time as a perfect scope picture with no vignetting, which in my opinion is a "must" for any target rifle. Because of the heavy stock, heavy bull barrel, and heavy scope, this is strictly a bench gun and would be a very poor choice for hunting.

I think one of our valued members, Blkhawk73, has summed it up very well in many of his posts. Before you spend a penny on a build (or scope), decide what you want the end product to look like and how well you want it to shoot. I think many people lose sight of some of the planning issues and are sadly disappointed when they pour a lot of money into a build and end up with mediocre performance. It's also common for 10/22 owners to expect match grade accuracy and perfect cycling with cheap bulk pack ammo, then top off the gun with a cheap scope. No doubt, many builds are done just for looks. As you can tell by the above photo, my goal was accuracy not looks.

I'm sure some people would consider the Night Eater to be an "overkill" for a 22 rifle but my decisions were based on several features ... the first being the side dial parallax correction. It has an excellent reticle .. similar to a "dual X" and has 1/4 MOA turret clicks ... about 1 click per bullet diameter @ 100 yards or 1/2 bullet diameter @ 50 yards (twice as good as the Nikon Pro-Staff) The large 42mm objective lens lives up to the name "Night Eater" where the target is very bright and crystal clear even on an overcast day. Further, the standard for 22 scopes is 1X per 10 yards so this scope is optimum for 35~100 yard target shooting and because of the side dial, it can be focused down to 10 yards. I would not recommend this scope for a hunting rifle ... strictly a target rifle where size and weight are not critical. My 10/22 TD is set up more for hunting and has a Nikon P-22, 2~7x, which is parallax corrected for 50 yards and is well matched to a 22's optimum hunting distances of 20~70 yards.

You might want to visit the Forum Library and download a document titled "Scope Dope". It fully supports your comments on how important parallax can be. Click on this link: http://rugerforum.net/library/61505-scope-dope.html

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Rockdrill,
Yes I did look at the wrong model. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't think many selllers recognize the importance of parallax adjustment for target shooting, or else they just think hunters all want fixed parallax, and they often don't list it so I've been looking at websites for parallax specs until my eyes turn inside out.

lowegan,
Indeed, I understand your points and fully agree. Not much hunting available in so cal. Shooting rabbits and squirrels, even if legal, wouldn't be much fun when they come up and eat out of your hand. So this is pure target, 25-100 yards, but I may try 200 yds just for fun. I got the aluminum barrel just for my son to be able to handle, he's 12 and 85 lbs.

I can't shoot iron sights as accurately any more because my eyesight, although still 20/20, doesn't have that wide a focus. target, front sight, and rear sight, one can be in focus but the other two get really fuzzy. I'm ok with a pistol because what is called "accurate" is very loose by rifle standards. I think one reason I was a good shot as a kid was that I had 20/10 vision. So I'm thinking more magnification in a scope for 100 yds (maybe more) would be good, so long as the reticle is fine.

So I'm off to pick up the rifle tonight and will look at some scopes. Wish me luck,
Jerry
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Carlsbad, Yup, I'm in the same boat ... since I had cataract surgery and lens implants, my distant vision is better than 20-20 but I have a "hole" from zero to 10 feet where I have to depend on continuous bifocals just to read or even shave. That "hole" makes it just about impossible to use iron sights on a rifle so I am pretty much restricted to scopes if I intend to hit anywhere close to the bullseye. Handguns don't bother me as much because the sight radius is much shorter.

Most gun owners don't take advantage of a scope's zoom magnification features. The concept for 22 LR rifles is to get the same target size in the scope as you do with the naked eye at 10 yards. That means adjusting your zoom ring for 4x at 40 yards, 6x at 60 yards, etc. By keeping the target size about the same as a 10 yard naked eye view, you get where you can judge distance quite well and know where to aim versus the bullet's trajectory. When I go to a public range, I see most shooters have their scopes set at the maximum magnification for all distances. Although this will work, using the 1x per 10 yard rule will take full advantage of your scope's features such as width of view, parallax, distortion, the "wiggle factor", etc.

Good luck on your quest for a scope. I hope you find one that meets your needs!!
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OK. I bought a nikko stirling Mountainmaster scope. It was so inexpensive that I can put it on my son's air rifle if it doesn't work out. Or I can return it unused before Christmas.....

Amazon.com: NIKKO STIRLING Mountmaster 4-12x50 AO Rifle Scope, Illum. Mil-Dot Reticle w/ Rings (NMMI41250AO): Sports & Outdoors

I'm a bit nervous about the low price. It does have a 50mm obj. The adjustments have nice clicks which I like.

Turners didn't have the nighteater in stock in the power and objective I wanted but the one they did have had kindo mushy clicks. Could have been just from overuse by bear pawed window shoppers.

Any day now my Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X 50 that I bought for one of my Remington 700s will show up so I'll get a chance to compare a $79 scope to a $700 scope...

Thanks for your help,
Jerry
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I found your stock online for $100 delivered. We'll see how my Boyds fits me. I may buy your adjustable model. I'm very average sized so off the shelf items often fit me. (5' 11, 165 lbs). --Jerry
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