Reflex vs Standard Red Dot?This is a discussion on Reflex vs Standard Red Dot? within the Optics forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Hi: I am confused...(Normal condition)...I want to put an electronic dot type sight on my 10/22 (The old eyes aren't what they used to be)...What ...  |
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June 15th, 2012, 06:57 AM
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| Reflex vs Standard Red Dot?
Hi: I am confused...(Normal condition)...I want to put an electronic dot type sight on my 10/22 (The old eyes aren't what they used to be)...What is the advantage of a "reflex" type sight (the one tat has the projected dot on a tv screen looking lens) versus the more traditional tube-type looking sights? Most of my shooting is plinkiing/soda can type stuff at 25 yds max... Hope the question is clear...Thanks,
Steve
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June 15th, 2012, 08:16 AM
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The only difference to me is when the sun is from behind, I find some glare on my reflex glass that I don't see in my tube style.
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June 15th, 2012, 09:20 AM
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for quick and close reflex sights are the way to go.
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June 15th, 2012, 09:36 AM
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The reflex sights offer a larger screen for viewing, so, as bwinters says, that makes them a bit faster and easier for getting on target. The older round tube stuff, though, will work fine for quick shooting. Just a matter of a little practice and some of them, like the Bushnell TRS-25 are as small ultra and compact as it gets with red dots.
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June 15th, 2012, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by North country gal The reflex sights offer a larger screen for viewing, so, as bwinters says, that makes them a bit faster and easier for getting on target. The older round tube stuff, though, will work fine for quick shooting. Just a matter of a little practice and some of them, like the Bushnell TRS-25 are as small ultra and compact as it gets with red dots. | I love my TRS 25. its great little red dot and handles the recoil from my AK just fine. I debated the reflex vs tube red dot for my 12/22 FS and decided to go with a 2-2x28 compact scope. Not as quick as the red dots, but I wanted some magnification at 50 yds for my eyes. Im hoping at 2x I can get on quick for the close-in targets. If not decent reflex sights for the 10/22 are cheap |
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June 15th, 2012, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by North country gal The reflex sights offer a larger screen for viewing, so, as bwinters says, that makes them a bit faster and easier for getting on target. The older round tube stuff, though, will work fine for quick shooting. Just a matter of a little practice and some of them, like the Bushnell TRS-25 are as small ultra and compact as it gets with red dots. | I agree. I have used both types and both types work well.
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June 16th, 2012, 09:19 AM
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The reflex sights are faster to aquire with, where the tube type sights need to be aimed like a regular scope. They are less weight and less bulky (usually).
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June 28th, 2012, 04:39 AM
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I have a reflex on my 22/45 and 2x red-dot on a MK 10. The reflex is great for 25 yd, and the 2x does the same @ 50 yd. My eyes have troubles focusing on the front site on open sites now. for short distance (25 yd) the reflex is my choice! I also use cross-hairs w/2.5 MOA dot, find this easier for me over a dot. My brother likes the dot/circle. Also at times I find the green works better then the red! So I choose with care what I get!
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June 28th, 2012, 05:12 AM
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Both are technically reflex sights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflector_sight
They work on the same laws of physics. The only difference is the method of enclosing (or not) the optics.
In one example, glare in bright areas may make the dot (or reticle) more difficult to see. A closed tube protects the optical components better.
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June 28th, 2012, 05:23 AM
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For a specific recommendation,consider the Ultra Dot Match Dot tube-style sight. I have one on a Mini-14, and another one on my Mark III pistol. I've been extremely pleased with both applications... UltraDot Matchdot Red Dot Sight 30mm Tube 1x 2 4 6 8 MOA Dot Matte |
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July 1st, 2012, 01:19 AM
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I have a MatchDot, and have been wondering about the flat screen vs tube issue as well.
Seems like the flat ones would offer less visual clutter, with a picture frame sort of around the target. As opposed to a tube that frames the target, but then tosses in various adjustment knobs surrounding what you wish to look at. The flat ones still have such clutter, but seems like it would be better to have that under what one wishes to view rather than around their sight picture.
Have never had an opportunity to use the flat version, so I don't know how this works out in the real world. Any recommendations for one?
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July 1st, 2012, 07:28 AM
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I have used the EOTech reflex type (XPS2-0), the Aimpoint H-1 (tube-type) and Ultradot Matchdot (tube type). All work well. The first two are military-grade, superb units and either will do a terrific job. The Ultradot Matchdot, while not strictly military-grade, is very well made and works superbly as well. It is really a matter of preference. Personally I give a slight edge to the EOTech, but not a huge difference as between reflex and tube in my opinion.
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July 1st, 2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Redleg I have used the EOTech reflex type (XPS2-0)x | I see it gets outstanding reviews on Amazon. Out of 21 reviews all but one gives it 5 stars. The other one was only impressed to a 4 star level.
Though at $484 it had better be absolutely amazing.
I wasn't surprised by the price, having seen EOTech prices before which are right up there with Aimpoint. EOTech seems very much aimed at the highly demanding needs of military & SWAT teams, while Aimpoint catalogs show almost nothing but hunting.
I don't mind spending money for quality & superior performance, since I'm well aware of how buying cheap junk is equivalent to throwing away money. Yet, I think this is way beyond what I personally need. Looking for something to put on a handgun, and not being anywhere close to an expert marksman I suspect a sight so fine would be wasted on me. Similar to using match grade ammo to put holes in soup cans.
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July 1st, 2012, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KJS I see it gets outstanding reviews on Amazon. Out of 21 reviews all but one gives it 5 stars. The other one was only impressed to a 4 star level.
Though at $484 it had better be absolutely amazing.
I wasn't surprised by the price, having seen EOTech prices before which are right up there with Aimpoint. EOTech seems very much aimed at the highly demanding needs of military & SWAT teams, while Aimpoint catalogs show almost nothing but hunting.
I don't mind spending money for quality & superior performance, since I'm well aware of how buying cheap junk is equivalent to throwing away money. Yet, I think this is way beyond what I personally need. Looking for something to put on a handgun, and not being anywhere close to an expert marksman I suspect a sight so fine would be wasted on me. Similar to using match grade ammo to put holes in soup cans. | Given what you say about "way beyond what [you] personally need" why not try the Ultradot Matchdot II? It is a very high quality sight and costs around $219. As long as you are not going to be assaulting any bunkers with it, I am pretty sure that you would like it. The Matchdot is quality, made-in-Japan optics. I use one on my Mini 14 and it works really well. In fact I just came back from the range after shooting about 250 rounds using it, and my groups were absolutely as good as I am capable of shooting. Very good optics and hardware.
You are right that the el cheapo red dots are bad news. I have been there and done that. Never again. The Ultradot Matchdot is good gear.
Here is my Mini 14 with the Ultradot Matchdot II: |
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July 1st, 2012, 06:28 PM
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I use both types of red dots and find the reflex is smaller than my tube type Tru Glo. Both seem to work the same in projecting the red dot.
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