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Old April 11th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #16
 
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I still have my old brass and aluminum rods from back when I was a kid. Switched to OTIS when they first came out and never looked back.



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I use dewey and boretech no measurable difference between the two but for some reason I am using the boretech more than the dewey.....I bring the dewey rods to the range and use the boretech at my cleaning area
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I use a GI one piece brass range rod for the 03 Springfield for my long guns, an 18" Dewey brass rod for contenders and an unknown make shorter brassy for handguns.
... Just wipe the rod when its charged with wet grit. Brass won't harm barrel steel. What kills accuracy is throat erosion; and overbore ctgs do it faster - and if you fire long and fast you'll see alligator skin extending forward from the chamber a lot faster than you'll like.
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Dewey and bore guides.
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The brass/aluminum//steel/nylon coated debate can fill pages.
The theory on the soft rods is the rods themselves will not damage the bore but the soft metal (brass) rods can pick up abrasive material and will damage the bore.

This is one of those things where we overthink the perceived issue way too much.

Some of the benchrest guys and other competition shooters will lean towards the nylon coated steel rods but I'm not convinced there's any measurable difference.

I will say that a jointed rod made up of several sections should be avoided when possible.

If you keep your cleaning rod out of the sandbox and wipe it off before and after use, you'll probably be just fine.

I purchased a large brass rifle cleaning rod about 25 years ago and have never seen a reason to use something else.

Now, the small bores may need a stronger steel rod because the diameters are so small. That might be a good place for a nylon coated steel cleaning rod. Smallbore shooters often claim that more .22 barrels are worn out from cleaning rods than shooting. Might be some truth to that.

While a cleaning rod might eventually damage the ends of a barrel (the crown or the edge of the throat) over time, I'm not sure the side of the rod coming into contact with the rifling mid-bore can do much damage. I just don't see a mild steel rod or an even softer brass rod damaging the lands of the rifling mid bore should the rod contact the sides of the bore. That barrel steel is pretty hard stuff when compared to a cleaning rod.

I think these debates sell a lot of high dollar cleaning rods but I haven't seen proof that mild steel is any better or worse than aluminum or brass.
Finally, someone who makes sense of all the BS and misconceptions. Thank you.
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I guess this is strange, but I also was concerned about damaging the bore of my pistols, especially at the crown. Two years ago I started putting a plastic drinking straw, cut to length, over the aluminum cleaning rods. The sharp edge of my GP100 would shave small flakes of aluminum from the rod sometimes. The straws fit snugly over the rods and will go in all of my pistols except the 22 caliber. I clean my guns after each use. I change the drinking straws often.
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I still have my old brass and aluminum rods from back when I was a kid. Switched to OTIS when they first came out and never looked back.
With the OTIS, do you screw/unscrew to the cable and run the brush up the barrel or is there a way to clean the barrel without all the screwing around (pun intended )
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People still use cleaning rods ?

Seriously in my area it is hard to find actual cleaning rods in stores, I only recently found them as that's what I grew up using.

Everyone is using those bore snake like things. What do people call them, cleaning cords ?

I'm using those corded things too because that was what was in the cleaning kit I bought and the one I won at a Pheasants Forever event.
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Some refuse to believe it, but you can absolutely wreck a bore and a crown with a cleaning rod, don't care how soft you think it is. Pieced rods will scratch the bore every time one of those edges touch it. And all it takes to KNOW this stuff is look at it with a good bore scope after you run some of the junk through your barrels. If you only shoot minute of deer, will likely never matter, but if you shoot for accuracy, it matters greatly
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I have Dewey and ProShot rods. I had a Tipton but the adaptor tip came off. That when I got the first ProShot rod. I now have 3 of the Proshots and their rod guide. The Dewey is a good rod but the ProShot are better IMO. Both Dewey and ProShot have excellence CS.
I have used pro shot products for over 25 years. Still using the rods I bought that long ago. I can attest to their being outstanding products.
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I am a retired machinist / engineer with a degree in engineering and I can not see a soft material like brass or aluminum doing any damage to a hardened piece or carbon steel. I believe it would take tens of thousands of contacts to make any significant impact. With that said I use Proshots.
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I am a retired machinist / engineer with a degree in engineering and I can not see a soft material like brass or aluminum doing any damage to a hardened piece or carbon steel. I believe it would take tens of thousands of contacts to make any significant impact. With that said I use Proshots.
Yep. I would not want a rifle with barrel steel 'soft' enough to be damaged by a slow moving cleaning rod. From what I can figure, is the most potential wear during cleaning is right at the beginning, when the bore is loaded with carbon deposits. That's why I've taken to using foaming bore cleaners as my initial treatment. Foam the bore, lay down the rifle in a muzzle-down tilt, and let the foam work and drain out. Repeat this a few times before any cleaning patch enters the bore. I've also taken to using mainly nylon bristle bore brushes over bronze for routine cleaning.
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Any quality built rod would be fine. I wipe down the nylon coating on my Dewey rods never seen any metal bits on the that patch but plenty on the actual bore contact patch.
Even aluminium multi piece rods work good, if your worried about the joint edges wrap a layer of masking tape around the joints. All ways use a bore guide with a rod and then any rod will be fine.
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I am a retired machinist / engineer with a degree in engineering and I can not see a soft material like brass or aluminum doing any damage to a hardened piece or carbon steel. I believe it would take tens of thousands of contacts to make any significant impact. With that said I use Proshots.
SB, I'm sure you are right. Looking back through this thread, it appears that the OP ended up buying stuff he's happy with, and that's a good thing. Perhaps that's the most important thing is that a gun owner finds a cleaning method and tools that he's comfortable with.

The bottom line, though? (Warning: yes, I'm going to go there). It doesn't really matter. I have 30+ year old rifles I have bought used that are very, very accurate. Who knows what kind of cleaning regimens, if any, the previous owners used? In fact, there are thousands and thousands of firearms out there that have been cleaned all sorts of ways, or not at all, or infrequently, or... well, you get the picture, and those guns work just fine.

Can/does a damaged crown affect accuracy? Yes, of course.

But: is it likely a damaged crown was caused by improper cleaning? No, not at all.

Find cleaning tools and products you like, use them on your guns, and sleep well at night.
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I use OTIS and PATCHWORM. No need to use a rod at all.
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