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Old August 22nd, 2013, 05:26 PM   #1
 
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Old German Knife

Can anyone tell me how old this knife is? I assume it is early 1900's.

Knife made by Anton Wingen Jr. SoLingen Germany Original Trapper knife Hand Made.














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Sorry can't help.
But it looks like a fine old knife though.
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it was made as a trade knife by a large manufacturer for a distributor or so says one of my wife's german uncles who sold sporting goods from 1952 until a few years ago.
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I would recommend you head over to blade forums or another knife enthusiast board. If you do, make sure to check back with us and let us know what it is.
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Google is your friend: Vintage Anton Wingen Jr Othello Original Trapper Kni (05/23/2011)... Prices on E-bay run $50-$75.
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When I was about eight, my father bought me a Bavarian pattern stag-handled knife made by Wingen, which used a head of Othello the Moor as a trademark. No idea why, and when I asked a lady from the company many years later (at the SHOT show), she didn't know, either. Whoever knew may have been killed in WW II, Solingen having been bombed then as well as sending German soldiers to the front. I know of no attempt to direct sales to Arabic or other countries where the head might stimulate sales.

I guessed that this is a poorly cared for 1950's knife, and the Google link above seems to agree. The English inscription on the blade is typical of that period.

Henley & Co. was the name of the importer for some Othello knives, and mine has that name on the blade.

Look carefully at the clip part of the blade. Do you see similarities to the Bowie knife in the movie, "The Iron Mistress", based on the book by Wellman? Or to the unuusal sword in a famous statue of Perseus holding the head of Medusa? I forgot the name of the sculptor on that piece, but if you search for statues of Perseus, you'll probably find it.

My Othello knife is still in very good condition, having been cherished and cared for. Looks like yours was owned by someone who left it out in the garage or in an attic. I hope that you can and will restore it as best as possible. Wingen has made some attractive knives. I'm unsure if they're still in business. You could write to the commercial consul at the German Embassy. He may have a directory of makers still active in Solingen.
Green shoe polish is made and using it will help your sheath a lot. I got some at a shoe repair place. Druggists and grocers probably won't carry green polish. BTW, my Wingen/Othello sheath is brown, for sale in the USA. German hunters dress in green, and even binoculars are sold there in a hunter green color. They include some high end stuff from Zeiss.

Thanks for posting. That's an interesting knife. You may have to have the edge bevels reground. Most who bought them years ago didn't know how to sharpen knives, and I've seen some edges that needed to be reground before conventional honng. But that applies to many used knives of all brands.

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Thanks everyone for posting about the german knife. The wifes uncle gave me that from an older guy that past away last month
I had forgotten about my dad giving me another german knife for my 12th birthday and a like new 8mm mauser he brought back from over there in WWII. The knife is from the same town as the other one #446. I was 14 & 15 years old 1958 when I first started hunting elk and deer with dad. This small knife gutted 2 elk and 2 deer.
Also the 8mm gave me my first bloody nose on recoil, it had a short stock.

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Thanks everyone for posting about the german knife. The wifes uncle gave me that from an older guy that past away last month
I had forgotten about my dad giving me another german knife for my 12th birthday and a like new 8mm mauser he brought back from over there in WWII. The knife is from the same town as the other one #446. I was 14 & 15 years old 1958 when I first started hunting elk and deer with dad. This small knife gutted 2 elk and 2 deer.
Also the 8mm gave me my first bloody nose on recoil, it had a short stock.

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Most interesting! Such handles are usually seen on "theater" knives, made in theaters/zones of war, where a GI or a buddy with skills installed handles made from plastic, Plexiglass from crashed planes, etc. Is this handle original, if you know? I gather that it was bought new by your father? The blade is a clear copy of a Marble's or Remington pattern, and these are still made in Solingen, by Linder Messer and others. ("Messer" means "knife" in German, the plural being Messern. Yes, that means that aircraft designer Willi Messerschmidt was Willi Knifesmith in English. (I think. My German is pretty limited.) He must have at one time had a cutlery-making ancestor. I hope that guy made knives better than Willi designed aircraft undercarriages: the narrow wheel arrangement led to numerous crashes of the ME-109 series. It was a tricky plane to fly, although some very talented pilots racked up huge numbers of kills in them. That includes Major Erich Hartmann, the all-time champion fighter pilot, with 352 killls credited to him! The top English-speaking pilot was a South African flying in the RAF who had something over 50 kills when his Hurricane was shot down while covering the British withdrawal from Greece. His squadron records were lost, but he is known to have downed at least 50 German and Italian aircraft. His name was Marmaduke St. John Pattle. The top USAAF pilot was Maj. Richard Bong, MH, with 40 known (confirmed) kills from his P-38 Lightning; all Japanese victims. The top Allied pilot was a Russian, I think Maj. Gen. Ivan Kozhedeb (sp?) I think he scored 62, but need to check that figure.

Sorry for the off-topic rambling. WW II planes are another interest of mine. I'm sometimes easily distracted...

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(Is this handle original, if you know? I gather that it was bought new by your father?)

It looked new when he gave it to me @ age 12. I don't know where dad got it or how long he had it.
Dad never talked about the war, I did find out that he was in the 3rd chemical division( flame thrower) hit normandy beach and went all the way to berlin.
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