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Old August 17th, 2016, 08:48 PM   #1
 
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Does China,make good American brand knives?

These three were made in China,one is a Browning model 0111,two are 440 Stainless.

The one in the middle is the Browning!



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If China makes American Branded Named Knives up to US standards then yes they can be very good. I have USA made Kershaw's and also Kershaw's made in China that have been very good knives especially the folders.
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That really is a tough question to answer. I would argue Chinese-made, US brand knives can be "acceptable" at most. I just don't feel the fit and finish of Chinese-made knives ooze quality. Part of it is mental I'm sure, but I still think there is a noticeable difference particularly with folding knives. The crappy thing is companies for a while now have been taking a somewhat sneakier approach to cutting costs, in that they import their materials and assemble them in the US so they can keep the "Made in USA" label. That's how businesses run I guess but back to the point. I would say if the knife works for your purposes then you got yourself a deal but I don't personally use Chinese-made knives because I feel I can notice a difference.

Also note 440 stainless steel is pretty vague. There's 440 C which is pretty good, but there's also 440 A and B, which is kinda crappy IMO. Another way that knife companies try and hoodwink consumers by not disclosing which variant of steel they're using...

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I have some Chinese Kershaws and they're good knives.
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I have USA Made Kershaws (Leek, Camber, and Blur) and they are all very tight with solid lock up...my son has a Chinese made Kershaw (RJ Tactical) and although his knife is good steel and is holding up well to the beating he is putting on it, it came out of the box with a fair bit of blade play.

I am not knocking the Chinese made stuff because the price offset makes them appealing for the every day beater knife role, but I feel the quality is definitely on a lower level. I have noticed this with some other manufacturers as well.
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If China makes American Branded Named Knives up to US standards then yes they can be very good. I have USA made Kershaw's and also Kershaw's made in China that have been very good knives especially the folders.
+1! My China stamped Kershaw's have been great!
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Depends on the American brand to me. IMO Gerber has really fallen off benchmark, I've heard good things about Kershaw, etc. But for me, for edc, its US Made Benchmades, I've never had blades hold up better, or reshaped easier. I'm no guru or anything, but I go with what I know.
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I have been carrying the knife in this pic for 25 or more years.
It is a lock-back Spyderco or Kershaw knockoff stamped "Stainless China" on the blade.
I use it daily and love it.
It has bailed me out of several tense situations.
The handle is cracked in a couple of places from tweaking, but it has never failed me.
I sharpen the partially serrated blade weekly.
I believe I ordered it from the internet in a set about 30 years ago for a very good price.
I would rather buy American, but this tool is fantastic.
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I carried a Westward made in China, about year and broke the tip of the blade on it.Now let me be clear,it was more my fault the tip broke off,from heating it and dropping it on a concrete floor.
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Ihis is that Westward knife made in China, the tip broke off when I drope it.

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If a knife you buy has "400 0r 440 " in it's steel description, you can be sure it is the low grade 440A or 440B steel. Any knife maker that uses the higher grade 440C steel will stamp the blade as being 440C.
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If a knife you buy has "400 0r 440 " in it's steel description, you can be sure it is the low grade 440A or 440B steel. Any knife maker that uses the higher grade 440C steel will stamp the blade as being 440C.
440C is the benchmark of the cutlery world, offering, probably the best blend of edge retention and corrosion resistance.
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2ndGen, 440C is a very good steel for kitchen knives and dive knives due to having about 17% chrome in it's makeup. Very high in rust resistance. As for edge retention, it is very good, but several other stainless steels will out do it for sharp edge retention. CPM S30V is one of those steels.
Even several hi carbon steels will hold an edge better then 440C, but will rust if you fail to care for it in the field.

For a hunting knife that will hold a very good sharp edge and hold up to hard use, I prefer S30V or D-2 over 440C. Both of them have sufficient chrome to be very good in rust resistance. D-2 has 11-12% chrome and in the U.S. you have to have at lease 13% chrome to call it a stainless steel. S30V has 14%.
As for 440A and 440B steel, you will never see that steel in my shop and most custom makers feel the same about it.
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There are Chinese knives authorized by a US company, say Kershaw, to make their knives and those knives are decent.

Then there are the fake Kershaw knives that are just unauthorized knock-offs, and they are junk.

Fake Benchmades are the worst.
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I prefer to buy USA made but have owned a few made in China. Schrade's modern buschcraft knives are made there using 1095 carbon steel and are phenomenal knives for the money. I own their model SCHF51 and SCHF42 and couldn't ask for better.
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