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This is a discussion on 7.62 Russian and/or 8mm Mauser for deer and up? within the Hunting forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; I ask because I am looking at trying to acquire a Dragunov or Yugo M76 and wonder how they might serve (at least the cartridge) ...


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Old June 29th, 2011, 03:52 PM   #1
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7.62 Russian and/or 8mm Mauser for deer and up?

I ask because I am looking at trying to acquire a Dragunov or Yugo M76 and wonder how they might serve (at least the cartridge) as a hunting caliber/rifle.



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Old June 29th, 2011, 04:29 PM   #2
 
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Looks to me like the 7.62 Russian is pretty close to a 30-06.

The 8mm Mauser looks like its a couple hundred feet per second faster than a 30-30 with a 170 grain bullet.

So, yeah, deer and up sounds about right.
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I have several 7.62x54R rifles, and they lay a nice thump down. I'm not a hunter, so I can't give personal experience responses in any other way than range shooting with it. I can't imagine a deer standing much of a change against it though. My 8mm mauser doesn't hit as hard as the Russian.
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The military loading for the 8mm Mauser is much hotter than the downloaded stuff sold by Remington and other US ammo companies.

I bought some Rem Cor-Lokt and that round is a mouse fart compared to surplus 8mm. I would say the "real" 8mm is on par with 30-06.

Surplus 7.62x54r is pretty hot, too. I had some steel core AP surplus rounds that would punch through 1/8" of steel plate at 100 yards. The American Eagle 7.62x54r is downloaded.
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Not that these pictures will tell you a TON of info, but here's a visual comparison of the two you're asking about. German 8mm Mauser round on the left, Russian 7.62x54r on the right:



And here they are next to the 30-06 (8mm, 7.62, 30-06):



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Ok, how about something that would also serve as a SHTF? I know that in all likelihood you will be hunting more than fighting but ammo availability is a concern in that particular instance. You aren't gonna be doing a whole lot of hunting with if your out of ammo lol.
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The round on the left is not a 8mm mauser (7.92x57) but is a 8x56R hungarian manlicher cartridge.
The 8x56R is even hotter than the 8mm mauser, but brass and bullets, let alone factory ammo is very hard to find for it. They use a .329-.330" bullet. Some people buy .338 bullets and size them down in steps using custom made Lee bullet sizing dies.

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As for hunting, I've aken a few deer with 8x57 handloads shot from a K98.
8x57 chamberings come in 2 distinct flavorings- the earlier muser rifles and some of the later custom mauser sporting rifles were chambered in 8x57 which had a .318 groove diameter. Most of the military rifles in existance are chambered in 8x57JS which has a .323" groove diameter (they actually vary on up to .326" from what I've seen).

American manufacturers always assume the ammo will be used in the earlier rifles so they download them to roughly 30-30 energy levels- at this pressure the bullets will size down in the barrel without destroying rifles of the older chambering. If I wer eto use factory ammo, I'd look at Hornady- they usually load as hot as possible.
If you reload, ther eis another problem- most 8mm bullets made in america were meant to be used in the 8mm remington magnum and have thicker jackets for higher velocities than the 8mm mauser is capable of. Hornady 170 gr roundnosed bullets are very acurate in all of my 8mms, and are devestating on deer.
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Ok, how about something that would also serve as a SHTF? I know that in all likelihood you will be hunting more than fighting but ammo availability is a concern in that particular instance. You aren't gonna be doing a whole lot of hunting with if your out of ammo lol.
Considering how cheaply you can get surplus 7.62 for, I would (and do) stock up that. Last I checked I got a 440rd can for $89.
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The round on the left is not a 8mm mauser (7.92x57) but is a 8x56R hungarian manlicher cartridge.
The 8x56R is even hotter than the 8mm mauser, but brass and bullets, let alone factory ammo is very hard to find for it. They use a .329-.330" bullet. Some people buy .338 bullets and size them down in steps using custom made Lee bullet sizing dies.
I'm a simple man, the box says 8mm on it, and I shoot it out of my K98, so that's what I call it. Thanks for the clarification though. Lol
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I'm a simple man, the box says 8mm on it, and I shoot it out of my K98, so that's what I call it. Thanks for the clarification though. Lol

I would advise not doing that. I'm actually surprised it chambers- are you sure that the rifle isn't a M95 mannlicher?

Here's a piic of my mannlicher:


AFAIK, no mauser 98s were chambered in 8x56r, but a lot of M95s were converted to 8mm mauser.

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from left to right:
30-06, 7.92x57 (8mm mauser), 7.5x55 swiss, .303 brit, 7.62x54r, 6.5x55, .308 win, 7.62x39, .45 auto, 9mm luger, .22lr.

Unfortunately Idon't have a pic of the mannnlicher cartridge, but its very easy to identify- it has a a smoothly curved shoulder and a rim. The 8mm mauser has the same parent case as the 30-06- no rim, same shoulder.
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8x56r is a whole different round than 8mm Mauser.
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If you want more power than us made 7.92x57 use a european manufactured round. NOrma Rws and several other importers offer loads that are 2-300 fps faster than wichester or remington but are well within saami specs. I kow Europe doesnt use saami, but the poads are saami safe.
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I would advise not doing that. I'm actually surprised it chambers- are you sure that the rifle isn't a M95 mannlicher?

AFAIK, no mauser 98s were chambered in 8x56r, but a lot of M95s were converted to 8mm mauser.
Well, to be honest, since the box and ammo have the German Eagle stamped on them and are dated 1938, I havn't actually shot any ammo from THAT box. I've only shot modern ammo out of my K98. I thought the 1938 stuff would be hard to find so I've saved it. I just assumed the "8mm" written on the box was the same as the 8mm I bought from Gander Mountain. Glad I didn't try to shoot that ammo from what you guys are saying, but I never intended to shoot the 1938 stuff anyway. Just thought it fit well on display with rifles from the same era. Now you guys have ruined everything and I have to find the right ammo to put next to the K98. Thanks for messing up my display! lol
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Well, to be honest, since the box and ammo have the German Eagle stamped on them and are dated 1938, I havn't actually shot any ammo from THAT box. I've only shot modern ammo out of my K98. I thought the 1938 stuff would be hard to find so I've saved it. I just assumed the "8mm" written on the box was the same as the 8mm I bought from Gander Mountain. Glad I didn't try to shoot that ammo from what you guys are saying, but I never intended to shoot the 1938 stuff anyway. Just thought it fit well on display with rifles from the same era. Now you guys have ruined everything and I have to find the right ammo to put next to the K98. Thanks for messing up my display! lol
That ammo is sort of elusive, and so are hungarian mannlichers.

Several years back, importers were bringing in the mannlichers like mine pictured, I didn't buy one because ammo was impossible to find fro them. Once these rifles dried up, importers started bringing in the 8x56r ammo (yep 1938 waffennampt marked was usually what it was) and selling it really cheap- like $100/1000rds. As soon as one of the importers found more rifles, the ammo stocks dried up quickly- that was when I bought my rifle.
PRVI and Hornady are the only mamnufacturers of 8x56r, and they seem to make limited runs of it- and it tends to be pretty expensive when you can find it.

If your 8x56r ammo came on enbloc clips (they are single stack unlike the double stack garand clips, don't throw them out- they are pretty rare and people will give you $5-10 a piece for them (last time I checked).

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Here's some sources for 8x57 and 7.62x54r ammo:
http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=8mm
http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=7.62x54R

The Mosin-nagants are aboutt he cheapest shooting rifles these days- I don't know about any of the sources listed in the site above, I'm only familiar with albanian and Czech silver tip- which I have several crates of yet, was buying them in 880 rd crates for around $90 several years ago.
Turk mausers used to be even cheaper- $49 for a rifle an $5 for a 70rd bandolier of turk ammo. neither one is cheap or easy to find anymore

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