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Old January 1st, 2017, 05:27 PM   #1
 
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Can't decide between 10mm or 357mag. HELP

I can't decide between 10mm in a Glock 20, or a 357magnum in a Ruger Gp100 4.2". I posted about this before, and I really want the 10mm, but I feel like the 357 magnum is a better choice.

THis is for a woods gun, for protection against 4 legged predators. Mainly black bear, hog, or a wild dog. I do not live in Grizzly territory. This gun may be pushed into a hunting role if I ever decide to go hunting.

My reasons are:
1. 357 mag is cheap and easy to find compared to 10mm (atleast in my area)

2. I can practice with 38 special all day long (cheaper than 357 mag and less recoil)

3. If I ever get into reloading, the 357 in a revolver is the best way to go. Once a round is fired, I can pluck it out of chamber, and put it in my range bag to be reloaded. No brass being chucked into the void to be never seen again, and especially with the price of 10mm, if I did reload, I can't afford to lose expensive brass. Not to mention 10mm reloading brass and components are near impossible to find here, but 357 mag is plentiful.

4. 357 guns are plentiful and easy to find (again, atleast in my area). I can walk into any gun store here and find countless guns in 357 mag. Not so with 10mm. This is just something I think about, that if for some reason I lose or something happens to my revolver out in the woods, I can walk into a gun store and pick up another one just like it. Not so with 10mm, you pretty much have to special order them around here.

5. The capacity of a 10mm really rubs me right. I know I may never need more than those 6 revolver rounds, but I just can't ignore a 15+1 capacity plus another mag or two on my hip. Not to mention the ability for quick reloads. If I ever encounter something I shouldn't out in the woods in the way of humans, 16 rounds in the gun plus 30 more on my hip is comforting. This leads back to #4, even though the woods gun is meant for 4 legged predators, should I be forced to use it on a 2 legged predator, if it gets filed into evidence, I can just buy another one.

6. 357 mag and 10mm are relatively equal in terms of ballistics in similar barrel lengths. ~4" barrel they both run around 1,300ft/sec and roughly 750ft/lbs, with a slight edge to the 10mm being slightly larger in diameter and heavier in weight. These differences can be swayed either way with a longer barreled revolver, or even a good Marlin lever action rifle in 357 mag, or a longer aftermarket barrel in the 10mm. I believe Long Wolf offers a 6" barrel, and I believe some company even offers a 9" barrel, don't know for sure but I've seen videos of Glock 20's with pretty long barrels.

7. Accurate follow up shots and rapid fire with a Glock trigger will be easier than with a double action revolver trigger. This may not matter in the grand scheme of things, but for some situations, more lead going down range accurately is a good thing. Accurate follow up shots, double taps, and rapid fire will be easier with a relatively light and short trigger than a long and heavy double action trigger.

8. Revolver cylinder gap. I was watching some rather disturbing videos about people putting their hands and fingers where they shouldn't be and getting pretty badly disfigured when shooting a revolver wrong. Again, this may not matter in the grand scheme of things, but if I'm on the ground behind attacked by some animal, and I pull my gun and shoot it wherever I can, the last thing I want is to be injured by the hot and explosive gases from the cylinder gap. I may not have the best grip, the gun may be up against my body, I may forget I'm shooting a revolver under stress and grip with two hands wrong like one of my semi autos (I do a lot of shooting with semi autos), and end up losing something.

Let me know your thoughts. Thanks
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Old January 1st, 2017, 05:37 PM   #2
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Guns are not entirely a rational purchase. At least for me they aren't. I guarantee you that if you let reason make this decision for you you'll always be checking out 10mm guns every chance you get. Life's too short and 10mm ammo ain't that expensive (about $25 @ box where I live). If in your heart you know you want the 10mm then screw logic and get it. A GP100 is an outstanding gun and your rationale is sound but it isn't a G20. You're trying to justify why the GP100 is the better choice but it seems to me you'd rather have the 10mm.

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I have the GP, so I'm biased. Still though, I think that the bottom line is what weapon gives you the most confidence in it. Which weapon gives you a feeling of surety that if needed it won't let you down.

In other words, you will want the GP 100
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Just get the g20 and a lone wolf 6" barrel. It will do everything you need/want. If you want to scratch that revolver itch later, do that too. For lower cost practice, shoot 40s&w in your g20, no harm really.
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I would just say one thing, which one do you really want?
Brass at Starline is only $15 more per 500 for 10mm. At my outdoor range they have nets on a stand you can place to the right of you and all the brass lands at the bottom of the net. So when shooting auto you don't lose very many.
Get the one you really want since they are so close in all of the variables. And if you feel you made the wrong decision sell the one you bought and get the other. Or better yet buy both.


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IMHO,,

1 thru 4 is enough to stick with a 357.

Sounds like ur trying to talk urself into a glock, or someone else is.. I dont do glucks, dont like em.
And with 357 & 45 abundantly available, I dont see the point of 40. or 10mm.

Both would just be a caliber I dont have, that CANT do anything better than what I ALREADY have.

When I think my 9mm EDC aint enough, I grab a 45 Blackhawk convertable revolver.

If I wanted to carry a big bore auto, it would be a .45. CZ 97 BD.

Good luck.
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You're dead on Bonk. The OP already figured out that a GP100 .357 is the more practical woods gun/range toy/hunting tool. But it is obvious that the tactical firepower offered by the G20 has great appeal. The two guns really are for different purposes. The G20 is a duty gun firing a full power round...period. The GP .357 is whatever you feed it, the options are endless. For hunting and general trail use the single-action revolver trigger wins hand down. Precisely delivering one powerful shot is the handgun hunter's goal. Double taps, rapid fire and other such techniques are for 7yd defensive shooting with popgun 9mm loads, not killing cleanly at 30yds with a powerful handgun.
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Can't decide between 10mm or 357mag. HELP

Actually I use the net when I am shooting my 300 Blk so I don't lose my brass. I don't use them when shooting my 1911 because 45 acp brass is cheap and plentiful and I don't think the nets are tall enough anyway when standing up and shooting a pistol.
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I have a lot of 357 mags and they are great as I do reload for them and are versatile. However I do have a Glock G20 Short Frame with 3 15 round mags. As far as ballistics I have found that the 10 MM will approach or even surpass the 357 Mag in some cases but would not hesitate with either.. Guess will be if you want a revolver or a semi. I believe with the G 20 you can buy a longer barrel which would adapt it for hunting. I like both the 10 MM and 357 Mag ammo and think it would be your preference and actual use.
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#1......357 Magnum, in the RUGER GP 100.
#2......Blue or Stainless, your choice.
#3......The only choice is no. 2
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Both would be an excellent choice, no matter which one you choose. Personally, I would go with the one that feels best in my hands, and the one I am more accurate with. Are you able to spend some quality range time with both firearms. I love a 10 mm, and a 15 round magazine would definitely put an end to just about any threat. However, 15 rounds or a 100 rounds.....if you can't hit your target, than that's a moot point.
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Go with the platform that best suits you and your intended application. The cartridges are pretty much a wash as far as ballistics. We're talking a self-defense gun, here, not a range or competition gun, so the ammo costs are secondary.

Your .7 does matter. It matters a lot. Your accuracy when under stress could be a matter of life and death for you. I shoot the 10mm in a Sig P220, SAO and a 357 in several revolvers, including the GP. The Sig is way short the Glock as far as capacity, but I'm significantly more accurate with the Sig than when shooting the GP in DA, all the more so for fast follow up shots, and, yes, I do practice DA shooting with the revolvers on a regular basis. To me, that better accuracy in a self-defense scenario is all important. It's the results that count. My only issue with the Sig is that it is a big gun, so I may yet add a Glock 20 to the collection. I'm not a fan of polymer guns, either, but, again, we're talking a self-defense gun, here, not a gun to show off or brag up. Bears and such won't know the difference.

Get what works for you, though, not someone else.
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Thanks all for the quick replies.

I have the revolver itch, but I plan on buying a 22lr revolver at some point, but I think the 10mm may have the edge in my situation. If I do plan to go hunting I can always just pop in the longer barrel, and I've seen some videos of people hunting with 10mm in a handgun and the animals they shoot just drop. It's quite impressive.

All in all the cost of the ammo won't matter much considering I will probably shoot 50 rounds of 10mm once or twice a month just to stay sharp with the gun and caliber once I'm proficient with it. I will shoot more the first trips to the range with it just to get familiar with it and once I can get good groupings at maybe 20 or 30 feet (defensive distance if a bear or rabid dog is running at me), then drop it down to 50 or so rounds a month.

The 357 revolver would probably see more range use simply because of the possible reloading capabilities and the cheaper ammo.

I think I'm still leaning towards the 10mm. I don't know if I need the 357 mag revolver at this point.
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Let me know your thoughts. Thanks
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Hello 357mag, well I've got an opinion and that's all it is. For what you described a .357 magnum won't do much for you. That was never Elmer Keith's intentions, it was S&W who hired someone to go around shooting game in the lower 48 to promote it's chambering and most of us know when ever a manufacture gets involved in anything they'll hype s--t to smell like roses.

Your 10mm would be better until I saw your Grizzly comment and just so you understand something here, the idiots you see on YouTube are easy to spot most come from a semi-automatic and never even learn how to properly grip either one.





But rest assured if 'ole Grizz is upon you you won't even give a second though to blowing your finger off to stop him.
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A few reasons to go .357 Mag:

1. A revolver can carry more than one round of ratshot,

for use against poisonous snakes.

Autoloaders can't. You can also load hollow points, fat lead

noses, and wad cutters, which you can't in the autoloader.

2. A .357 also can use the tamer 38 special round. AFAIK,

there are no common rounds with the 10MM.

3. You mention "revolver cylinder gap"- fingers in the wrong

place, on a revolver, and getting hurt. Ever see what happens to

somebody's hand, with an autoloader, when they shoot it while in

contact with the slide? Any improperly respected gun can hurt you.

4. The glock safety causes mayhem with the smaller cals, like 9mm.

Try to imagine what an AD with 10MM could do.

5. The Ruger is a manly, all steel tank. The Glock has more plastic than

a Dolly Parton sized boob-job. Not to mention the GP100 has factory Hogue grips.

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