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Old January 1st, 2017, 11:28 PM   #16
 
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You can't go wrong here with either one. I own 3 .357 revolvers and a .357 rifle. I have owned over the years delta elite and kimber 10mm as well as Glock 20, 29 and most recently a model 40. All were great guns, but all were moved on for other opportunities. I enjoy my .357, but will eventually get a 20, 29 and 40 again via the Glock blue label progam. I live in central Indiana so my predators are different from yours. In Diana now allows 10mm for deer, so I will set a model 40 up for it.



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Old January 2nd, 2017, 04:36 AM   #17
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Pretty fair comments for the most part. I own multiple guns in both calibers so I don't have a dog in this fight. My suggestion was based simply on my perception that the OP really wanted a 10mm but was trying to talk himself into a 357 for practical reasons.
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Buy a Glock G40 10mm with the 6" barrel for hunting. Then save your money and buy a .357 magnum revolver. I have both and the Glock gets carried far more often in the woods. My hunting revolver is a 10 1/2" Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnum.
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A Glock 20 in a Kenai Chest Holster with 15+1 rounds of Underwood Hardcast ammunition is a potent woods carry set up. If you are dealing with wild dogs and wolves the 15+1 could be important.

When firing at a moving animal the 15+1 is very important because if you only have 6 shots you may not take shots that could be important or if you take opportunity shots and miss you won't have a reserve.

When encountering armed two legged varmints 15+1 is very important because they also run in packs sometimes.

Most importantly how well do you shoot a revolver DA? The glock trigger is lighter and can be lightened further. Most people can deliver rounds on target with more speed and accuracy with the glock 20.

I have both calibers.

I use a 357 snubbie for snake shot and 38+p when I have a centerfire handgun.

A 3" 357 when hunting with a rimfire, but want to go light.

The glock 20 when hunting in sketchy areas, or I am hunting bear or pigs.

I carry a 44mag when I just have a handgun and I am in big bear territory.

A glock 20 for anything else.
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A Glock 20 in a Kenai Chest Holster with 15+1 rounds of Underwood Hardcast ammunition is a potent woods carry set up. If you are dealing with wild dogs and wolves the 15+1 could be important.

When firing at a moving animal the 15+1 is very important because if you only have 6 shots you may not take shots that could be important or if you take opportunity shots and miss you won't have a reserve.

When encountering armed two legged varmints 15+1 is very important because they also run in packs sometimes.

Most importantly how well do you shoot a revolver DA? The glock trigger is lighter and can be lightened further. Most people can deliver rounds on target with more speed and accuracy with the glock 20.

I have both calibers.

I use a 357 snubbie for snake shot and 38+p when I have a centerfire handgun.

A 3" 357 when hunting with a rimfire, but want to go light.

The glock 20 when hunting in sketchy areas, or I am hunting bear or pigs.

I carry a 44mag when I just have a handgun and I am in big bear territory.

A glock 20 for anything else.
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Pretty fair comments for the most part. I own multiple guns in both calibers so I don't have a dog in this fight. My suggestion was based simply on my perception that the OP really wanted a 10mm but was trying to talk himself into a 357 for practical reasons.
I was trying to talk myself into the 357 for practical reasons, but I feel like this choice defies some logic lol. Sometimes guns do that. I mean yea 10mm is more expensive than 357 and a lot less abundant, but every time i try to decide, i end up siding with the 10mm. Glocks are tough, maybe not as tough as a revolver, and I'm no Glock fan boy by any stretch, but I do think Glocks have their place as a tough, reliable firearm and with a cartridge that matches and sometimes surpasses 357mag ballistics. Even if the price of the guns and ammo were the same, with everything else equal, if I had to choose between 15 rounds and 6 rounds, no matter the situation, I would choose the 15 rounds. Add in the fact that the GLock is easier to load and shoot and carry (it's actually lighter than the GP100 fully loaded if you look at the specs on Glocks website and Ruger's website) and if concealment is an issue (i have my ccw permit) i can conceal it fairly well whereas a GP100 with the cylinder bulge, may prove difficult.

I do not live in Grizzly territory. I live in Wisconsin where the main threats are black bear, wolf, wild dogs, hogs, and there have been reports of mountain lion (cougar) up north. Black bears will leave you alone if you leave them alone, but should I encounter a fearless young male, or angry momma bear, or a wolf or wild dog pack that won't leave me alone, or even a hog who didn't like being disturbed, I'd want something to protect me. Sure the chances may be low, but there's always that small chance (that's why we carry in the first place) so if something happens, you can take care of yourself. You don't want to get into that situation in the first place, but if all else fails, you have the means to protect yourself. The same mindset of carrying for 2 legs also carries over into the 4 legged variety.

I suppose the Glock 20 is the winner here. I like the revolver but I really like the capacity of the Glock, the ballistics of 10mm, the capability of quick reloads and that the Glock is a pretty dang tough firearm. I hate to sound like a Glock fanboy, I'm not. I only own their 17, and eventually the 20, and possibly a 34. All the rest of my guns are Ruger's!!!

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I'm a cheesehead, too, up here in northern Wisconsin and, yes, we do get black bears right in the yard and know folks who have had dogs killed by both wolves and coyotes. You have a better chance of winning the lottery or getting hit by lightning than to have a problem with predators when out in the woods, but it does happen. Who wants to be a statistic?

I know several folks, locally, who have opted for the Glock 20 in 10mm for this specific application. It's actually becoming quite common as a choice for wood carry. That's not a reason for everyone to carry the Glock, of course, but as one of my shooting friends who does carry the Glock says, "I just holster the ugly thing and forget about it. Not like I'm scratching up a fancy gun or anything. "
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Which one keeps turning your head back for a second look. Like when I get off my BMW motorcycle; walking away, I look back and smile. Glocks are ugly imo, nuff said.

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I'm a cheesehead, too, up here in northern Wisconsin and, yes, we do get black bears right in the yard and know folks who have had dogs killed by both wolves and coyotes. You have a better chance of winning the lottery or getting hit by lightning than to have a problem with predators when out in the woods, but it does happen. Who wants to be a statistic?

I know several folks, locally, who have opted for the Glock 20 in 10mm for this specific application. It's actually becoming quite common as a choice for wood carry. That's not a reason for everyone to carry the Glock, of course, but as one of my shooting friends who does carry the Glock says, "I just holster the ugly thing and forget about it. Not like I'm scratching up a fancy gun or anything. "
Glad to hear from a fellow Wisconsinite!! Where do you live? If I may ask, I live down in Washington County, and I like to do lots of hiking out in the Kettle Moraine, Ice Age Trail, etc. Just last summer I visited the Apostle Islands up in Bayfield but we stayed down in Ashland. I desperately want to get back up there to go hiking and camping. That's what the Glock 20 is for, plus hiking and camping around here as well.
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I'm a bit north of Rhinelander, true north woods lake country where the fearsome Hodag roams (far more dangerous than a bear). Stop in, if you're in the area.

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Ruger now has a 8 shot 357 Mag in the Redhawk. It has a 2.75 inch barrel and weighs 44 ounces.
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I do not live in Grizzly territory. I live in Wisconsin where the main threats are black bear, wolf, wild dogs, hogs, and there have been reports of mountain lion (cougar) up north.
What are you talking about? Hogs in Wisconsin....only hogs in the midwest are on pig farms. Are you really from around here? The "reported" cougar is far more common than the non-existent wild hog.



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What are you talking about? Hogs in Wisconsin....only hogs in the midwest are on pig farms. Are you really from around here? The "reported" cougar is far more common than the non-existent wild hog.



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Yes I really am from around here. I'd advise you to look and do some research on hogs. Not only feral hogs, but pigs that escape from farms and quickly become feral.

Wisconsin DNR issues shoot-on-sight order for feral hogs ? Twin Cities

Feral pig control - Wisconsin DNR

Wild Pigs are a Growing Threat to Hikers on the Trail

http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/o..._revert_t.html

Please be informed before making comments like that.

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OP, both choices are fine guns, and either one will serve you well. Get the one you want.

As for predators in Wisconsin? I've lived here most of my life, and have spent a lot of time in the woods. Your chances of needing a gun for protection against an animal are infinitesimally small.

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Personally I would suggest you get a Ruger GP100 with the 4 inch barrel great setup and a very solid revolver!!!
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Since there are some options on the table I'll provide some Ruger SP101 4.2" velocities. I'm a Glock shooter for 9mm but have nothing in 10mm for comparison. My GP100 is a 6" so it's a monster for hiking when compared to the 4.2" 29oz SP101.

Ruger SP101 4.2" 357 Magnum
American Eagle 158 JSP = 1,250 FPS Average
Buffalo Bore 180 WFNGC = 1,446 FPS Average
140 Hdy LEVERevolution 140 FTX 92755 = 1,385 Average
180 CP WFNGC (14.5gr Lil'Gun) = 1,277 FPS Average
158 Hdy XTP/FP (17.0gr Lil'Gun) = 1,313 FPS Average

I love the 4.2 SP101 and am looking at a WC 2.25" version which will compete with my G26 as a carry gun. The SP101 is certainly my woods gun even though my 6" GP100 delivers better velocities.
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