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Old December 10th, 2016, 02:36 PM   #1
 
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Glock 20 vs Ruger GP100 for woods gun

Didn't know where else to post this.

I'm looking at either getting a Glock 20, or a Ruger GP100 4" in 357mag for a woods gun. Strictly for defense against 4 legged predators. Don't live where brown bears are, mainly black bears, hogs, wild dogs, wolves, cougars (mountain lions), etc. I'm not worried about 2 legged threats, I have my LCP for that. I'm looking for a gun to defend against 4 legged threats, and I've narrowed it down to the Glock 20 in 10mm, or the Ruger GP100 with the 4.2" barrel in 357 magnum. I plan on getting the revolver anyway even it's just a range toy, but If I chose the revolver for carrying into the woods I'm not getting the Glock 20, 10mm is too expensive to shoot more than once a month to stay proficient.

If I ever decide to go hunting I'll likely use the 357 in a longer barrel length, probably from a Marlin rifle.

I can't decide between carrying the revolver or the Glock in the woods. I have neither yet. I like the Glock because it's tough, almost impervious to the elements, has been proven to work in any condition, and has a large capacity along with the capability of quick reloads. I'm not sure why but 16 rounds, plus 30 more in two extra mags is comforting. I may never need more than a few, but I really like the idea of having 16 rounds of hot 357 mags in a semi auto platform that has a light trigger which makes for accurate and quick follow up shots.

I like the revolver because it's also tough, I'm not entirely sure of the reliability in the same conditions the Glock. I've seen torture tests of the Glock in snow, water, you name it and it keeps on ticking. I also like the revolver because it's simple, although so is the Glock, but only has 6 shots. I know I may never need more than 6, but it bothers me that reloads aren't quick, and even with a speedloader, it won't be as quick as a semi auto.

Just need to bounce my ideas off someone else other than the gf.

Any advice would be great.

Sorry for the text wall,
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Old December 10th, 2016, 03:02 PM   #2
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Good question and one I've tackled for the same reason. We have black bears, right in the neighborhood, as well as wolves, coyotes and more. It's more of a concern for protecting our dogs who accompany us on our walks and bicycle outing on the trails. That scenario with predators circling the dogs may mean the need for a shot at longer than the usual up close attack, so accuracy is important.

The GP or even the SP has a lot going for it, but my biggest concern is accuracy when shooting in DA mode and not much sense in carrying a DA revolver if you can't hit anything in DA mode. That does take practice and I do practice it quite a bit. Still, my accuracy is significantly better with semi-auto compared to DA in the revolver, especially for follow up shots.

I'm a 1911 shooter, big time, so I'll probably be using that platform for the 10mm or perhaps the Sig P220. Capacity isn't much of a concern for me, but even with the 1911, I get a few more rounds and, of course, quick reloads favor the semi-auto. Have actually spent time shooting a 1911 in 10mm, so I know it will work for me. Not a new venture.

At this point, I am leaning toward replacing the SP 357 with the 10mm, but probably not in the Glock, though the G20 is quite popular, up here, as a woods carry gun. Nothing against the Glock, just more familiar with other semi-auto platforms.
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A few years beck I was starting to see quite a few Black Bears near my properties in NE Wis (Oconto and Marrinette Counties).

I bought a Wiley Clapp GP100, and started carrying that up there vs the 1911's I had been carrying. A couple years later I found a nice deal on a Gock 20 and carried that for a while.

In my situation (especially where I go in Marrinette Co) I am still more likely to have two legged adversaries and am pretty secluded.

The G20 was more powerful, and has much more fire power, but mine was never that reliable (the exception that proves the rule?).

All in all in theory the G20 should be the better choice. But in the end I traded mine to somebody that bought a Redhawk Kodiak Backpacker 44 and it hurt their hand too bad.

So while the engineer side of my brain would pick the G20, I have favored the GP100 (OK, and quite often the Redhawk snubby) and don't feel under gunned.

Just my take on it.
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Animals move fast. The Glock 20 has the advantage of the quick reset trigger. You can drop a lot of rounds on target quick. Get the Glock Gen 4. You can shoot light loaded 10mm that's more like a 40 S&W or get some Underwoods that send 180s down range at around 1400 fps.

In my mind the 10mm Glock has several big advantages over the 357 GP100.

Now step up the the S&W Model 69 44mag and the revolver has some advantages as a woods gun. If you don't want/need the power of the 44 then maybe the 10mm is a better choice.

When I don't need 44mag or 454 power I reach for my G20 which I prefer over the G40.
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Didn't know where else to post this.

I'm looking at either getting a Glock 20, or a Ruger GP100 4" in 357mag for a woods gun. Strictly for defense against 4 legged predators. Don't live where brown bears are, mainly black bears, hogs, wild dogs, wolves, cougars (mountain lions), etc. I'm not worried about 2 legged threats, I have my LCP for that. I'm looking for a gun to defend against 4 legged threats, and I've narrowed it down to the Glock 20 in 10mm, or the Ruger GP100 with the 4.2" barrel in 357 magnum. I plan on getting the revolver anyway even it's just a range toy, but If I chose the revolver for carrying into the woods I'm not getting the Glock 20, 10mm is too expensive to shoot more than once a month to stay proficient.

If I ever decide to go hunting I'll likely use the 357 in a longer barrel length, probably from a Marlin rifle.

I can't decide between carrying the revolver or the Glock in the woods. I have neither yet. I like the Glock because it's tough, almost impervious to the elements, has been proven to work in any condition, and has a large capacity along with the capability of quick reloads. I'm not sure why but 16 rounds, plus 30 more in two extra mags is comforting. I may never need more than a few, but I really like the idea of having 16 rounds of hot 357 mags in a semi auto platform that has a light trigger which makes for accurate and quick follow up shots.

I like the revolver because it's also tough, I'm not entirely sure of the reliability in the same conditions the Glock. I've seen torture tests of the Glock in snow, water, you name it and it keeps on ticking. I also like the revolver because it's simple, although so is the Glock, but only has 6 shots. I know I may never need more than 6, but it bothers me that reloads aren't quick, and even with a speedloader, it won't be as quick as a semi auto.

Just need to bounce my ideas off someone else other than the gf.

Any advice would be great. Sorry for the text wall, 357mag
Personally, I prefer the 4" GP100 (see avatar) for field-work...I like Littlestone's 200 grain cast bullets as well....357 MAGNUM, 20 Rounds

To be honest...I looked at switching to 10mm as a hiking gun a year ago...but ended up deciding against it. I have a 2.25" SP101 in .357 as well and I can carry the same ammo in both (brutal in the SP101) if I need to!

I'm more of a revolver kinda-guy and prefer them for hiking/camping over the semi-autos (dirt & stuff) and I just hit what I shoot at better with the 4" revolver. If you're gettin' the revolver anyhow...I'd just go with that for now...and add 10mm later if you still want it!

10mm vs .357 magnum...it all depends on the ammo and how it's loaded (i.e., set-up with bullet + powder grains) that matters. I've seen 10mm stuff barely loaded to .40 S&W parameters, which is not something I would carry in the woods.
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Thanks all for the replies,

I'm looking at Buffalo Bore's offerings for the 357mag, the 180gr hard cast which according to their site pushes 1,375 ft/sec and roughly 750ft/lbs out of the muzzle of a 4" barreled revolver.

And then I'm looking at Double Tap ammo for the 10mm, they have a really hot loaded 10mm round, 200grains of hardcast traveling at 1,300 and 750 ft/lbs out of a Glock 20's 4 inch barrel.

I guess my main thing is that for the guns I've been looking at, the Glock 20 10mm 4.6" and the Ruger GP100 357mag 4.2", and with the loadings I'm planning on carrying, they are relatively equal, although I give an edge to the 10mm because I have 15+1 rounds vs. the revolvers 6, and it's pushing a heavier and larger, albeit marginally larger, bullet at the same speed and energy.

Sure 10mm is harder to find and more expensive than 357mag, the Glock 20 won't be a range gun. I'll likely shoot 50 rounds a month just to stay familiar with it. I plan to have the revolver anyway, I'm just trying to decide which to carry in the woods against the predators of the 4 legged variety.

I think I'm leaning towards the Glock in 10mm. I wish Ruger offered something in 10mm
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For woods exclusively.... I'd go for the largest caliber I could shoot proficiently in a revolver with the longest barrel I'd feel comfortable carrying. When faced with any level of danger in the woods, there is no such thing as overkill.
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I went through this dilemma about a year ago. I had a Glock 40 10mm and have owned a 20 & 29 in the past. I ended up going with a 3" adj sight GP100 that "fell into my lap". The 10mm is a great weapon with proper ammo and tough as nails in the Glock platform.
I love my Glocks, but love to carry my revolvers, my decision was based on my love of revolvers and reloading a lot of .38/.357. You cannot go wrong with either gun.
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So, black bears, hogs, wild dogs, wolves, and cougars are your main concern.

Of these, I only have real life experience with feral dogs and boy are they a boatload of fun! (NOT)

I've been stalked and cornered twice by dog packs. In both cases, the dogs stopped short of me to assess me before coming in. In fact, one pack sent a runt yipyip dog all covered with burrs and mud to approach me. As I noticed it, I also noticed a pack of a dozen or so dogs watching from several yards away to see what I did next.

In both cases, I had a 12 gauge pump shotgun with 3 rounds of #5 shot field loads.

In both cases, I stood very still while preparing to fire if one advanced towards me. Three cartridges, twelve or more dogs...

In the end, I stood my ground while they waited for me to run or bolt or jerk. Both groups decided I wasn't worth it after about ten minutes, turned and walked off.

So, in my humble opinion, either caliber would be fine for a woods walking gun.

While the extra capacity of the 10mm seems appealing to you, visualize this: have someone stand 25 yards from you and have them roll a basketball at you as fast and hard as they can. How many times can you shoot and hit it before it hits your shins? Please do not actually use a firearm in this exercise.

Either one will work well for you.

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MGYSGT,

I would hate to be in that situation with a 6 shot revolver, atleast me. That's one of the things I'm most concerned about in the area I live, and capacity is what I'm looking for. I've had run ins with dogs before as well and I can't see where having 6 shots is better than 15, of essentially the same ballistics.

Thanks for the replies. I think I'm leaning towards the Glock 20 in 10mm, I'll still be getting the revolver for a range toy, but carrying the Glock into the woods.
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For woods exclusively.... I'd go for the largest caliber I could shoot proficiently in a revolver with the longest barrel I'd feel comfortable carrying. When faced with any level of danger in the woods, there is no such thing as overkill.
Ha...exactly! For several years, my woods-carry was an Alaskan in .454 Casull...which is more than adequate for anything east of the Rockies (and west of the eastern edge too...and I still have it) but the GP100 was just easier and lighter to carry!
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I have a gp100 and glock 29 (compact 10mm). I hunt in similar conditions, and prefer the glock primarily for quickness, weight, and four more rounds than the gp100. The compact glock is hard to shoot with hot loads like Underwood or Buffalo Bore and I wish i had a g20 instead. Ive shot the g20 and it is very nice to shoot with hot loads. An out of the box stock g20 will handle the hottest factory loads out there. The one limitation is that the lead cast bullets will cause leading in glock barrels with a lot of shooting. I practice with fmj's and carry the buffalo bore hard cast in the woods.
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Thanks Planet Cat, I'm seriously considering the Glock 20 for those same reasons. I will also swap out the barrel for a Lone Wolf Barrel, saw a video of Hickok45 shooting the Glock 20 and he didn't get good accuracy out of the Glock 20's stock barrel, not to mention with a longer barrel if I chose to get a longer one I'd get better ballistics over stock.
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For the average person a semi-auto is easier to hit with than a revolver... especially double action. Then, most cannot hit much with a 3" revolver. Add a bear running at you and added adrenaline and the 3" revolver is worthless in most hands.

The Glock has a longer sight radius and more fire power and more knock down power. 10 mm will do some damage.

As far as reliability the revolver is proven. If your revolver gets mudded up while trying to fend a bear off chances are the bear got to you before you were ready to fire so you have bigger problems.

For me, a big 44 mag. For this thread, everything being equal, the Glock and one extra mag. Two mags are OK but IMO if this is for 4 legged critters, if you can't do it with two mags three won't help.

BTW, one well placed shot is preferred over many frantic shots.

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MGYSGT,

I would hate to be in that situation with a 6 shot revolver, atleast me. That's one of the things I'm most concerned about in the area I live, and capacity is what I'm looking for. I've had run ins with dogs before as well and I can't see where having 6 shots is better than 15, of essentially the same ballistics.

Thanks for the replies. I think I'm leaning towards the Glock 20 in 10mm, I'll still be getting the revolver for a range toy, but carrying the Glock into the woods.
Why? Animals (not counting bird dogs) don't know when you are reloading.
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