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Old December 11th, 2016, 09:26 PM   #16
 
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Thanks Planet Cat, I'm seriously considering the Glock 20 for those same reasons. I will also swap out the barrel for a Lone Wolf Barrel, saw a video of Hickok45 shooting the Glock 20 and he didn't get good accuracy out of the Glock 20's stock barrel, not to mention with a longer barrel if I chose to get a longer one I'd get better ballistics over stock.
Make sure that you confirm that the stock barrel doesnt work for you. I have a lone wolf extended ported barrel in my g29, which is very accurate, but i have feeding issues with "longer", heavier bullets. Lone wolf tried to fix it, but it still occasionally doesnt feed buffalo bore. The oem barrel feeds and shoots flawlessly.



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I will for sure do that Planetcat, haven't even bought the Glock yet so I'm just tossing ideas out there for what I'm going to do when I buy it before the snow melts before next years camping/hiking season. I do like the Lone Wolf barrels, I'd probably get one just a little longer than stock to really give the edge to the 10mm in terms of velocity and ft/lbs of energy. I don't handload so I want to squeeze out every last bit of energy from the 10mm.
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Maybe my age but I always have considered sem-iautos a self defense against people gun and a revolver a woods gun.
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MGYSGT,

I would hate to be in that situation with a 6 shot revolver, atleast me. That's one of the things I'm most concerned about in the area I live, and capacity is what I'm looking for. I've had run ins with dogs before as well and I can't see where having 6 shots is better than 15, of essentially the same ballistics.

Thanks for the replies. I think I'm leaning towards the Glock 20 in 10mm, I'll still be getting the revolver for a range toy, but carrying the Glock into the woods.
Quick thought: Why not a 357 sig, 40 or a 9?
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Either caliber is sufficient provided you use quality/appropriate ammo but of the two choices given I'd pick the G20 because it will punch a bigger hole and has double the capacity.
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I have trouble accepting that anybody can shoot a Glock 10mm with those bitty sights plus the recoil and hit anything consistently when being charged by a large animal like a bear? Plus personally, if something is trying to eat me, I want 100% feeding, sequencing and firing operation no matter whether the gun is upside down, in my pocket or whatever! I do not trust my life against a bear to any semi auto which I can immediately think of, except maybe a .45 Colt Government Model, in a pinch? That only because of familiarity as I carried one in the Army and also shot matches with it.

I live in Washington state which has the most black bears in any state south of Alaska! I carry a .45 Colt or a Ruger Alaskan, .44 Mag, revolver whenever I am out fishing or hunting. We also have a cougar issue here in Washington and a 240/250 grain, large caliber, jacketed bullet at 1000 to 1400 fps, usually sorts these issues out quickly!

I have been shooting pistols and revolvers since the 1950's. I also had a run in with a pack of wild dogs in Georgia 45 years ago, which was settled with a Marlin 336, .35 Rem (first shot) and a Ruger Blackhawk .41 Mag, 210 gr. after that. I killed two dogs which ran the pack off.
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The glock is plenty reliable. With proper presentation you can rip off rounds with amazing recoil control and accuracy. The dual action spring, mass of the slide, and flex of the polymer frame help tame the felt recoil.

You can easily attach a light to the glock and in a Kenai chest holster or Hill People Gear chest bag you can carry it out of the way and deploy it quickly even with your pack on. If one arm is injured you can get it out even with your weak hand.

Like I said before if you need 44 Mag or 454 power, go revolver, otherwise the G20 has some real strengths and advantages.

Shoot the stock barrel to see what it does first. You might be surprised.
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Quick thought: Why not a 357 sig, 40 or a 9?
The 357sig, 40s&w and the 9mm do not have enough power for what I'm looking for. I'm looking for something that has capacity, yet enough power to handle a black bear, wild dogs, hog, etc. I am more concerned about wild dogs than anything, but i want something with enough power and capacity to handle nearly anything I may come across in the woods.

The 10mm, 200grains of hard cast with a wide flat bullet, out of a 4.6" barrel, according to Double Tap, runs at 1,300ft/sec and 750ft/lbs. This is roughly 357mag territory and I could push the envelope a bit by getting a longer barrel to drop into the Glock 20.

The 357sig, out of a 4.48" Glock 31 barrel pushes an 180gr hard cast bullet at 1050 ft/sec and 441ft/lbs.

The 40s&w, out of a 4.48 Glock 22 barrel pushes a 200gr hard cast bullet at 1100 ft/sec and at 538 ft/lbs

9mm, out of a Glock 17's 4.48" barrel pushes a 147gr hard cast bullet at 1135ft/sec and 421ft/lbs

All of these numbers are from Double Tap, which I found to offer the hottest 10mm I can find on the internet, not talking handloads here. I don't handload.

If I was to choose a different caliber to carry out in the woods, mind you I don't like in Alaska, I'd carry the 255gr+p hard cast offering from Double Tap in a Glock 21 with an aftermarket 5" barrel which runs 875ft/sec and 434t/lbs, the numbers may not look impressive but I'd reckon 255 grains of hard cast lead that retains it's energy when hitting fur and bone would do a number on anything I shoot with it.

I would love to get a revolver for the woods gun, but I tried out the Gp100 today, pulling the trigger in double action, and found it would be too heavy if I tried to get off multiple shots quickly, that trigger is just too long and too heavy to even fathom getting off shots quickly. The Glock trigger is much lighter, and I plan to outfit the Glock 20 with either aftermarket sights or some sort of red dot/reflex sight.

I just suppose the capacity of the Glock makes me a bit more comfortable. Not to mention that Glocks are almost indestructible, get them wet, in snow, mud, etc, and they will function, at least from my research. I haven't found any torture/function tests of revolvers.

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I have shot neither yet, but I believe that a 10mm, in a semi auto platform that soaks up some recoil, would be about the same as trying to shoot a hot 357 magnum or middle of the road 44 magnum, especially in any revolver that has a short barrel. I believe that practice is the key to shooting anything well, and from just a shooting technique point of view, a short and light trigger, like the one on a Glock will be far easier to pull and not have the gun pull with it, like the long and heavy trigger of a revolver. There's a reason why guns made for accuracy are made with light and short triggers, or in the case of a double action revolver, the capability of shooting single action, but I'm not going to carry a double action revolver around with the hammer cocked, or try to thumb the hammer quickly between shots under a high stress situation.

As far as reliability and shootability under stress goes, I don't plan to carry an unreliable gun. If the Glock shoots anything less than 100% beyond it's break in period, I'll be selling it back. I will be carrying this gun in a belt holster or some kind of chest holster, so I won't be firing through a pocket and I see no forseable reason to shoot any gun upside down. As far as contact shooting, like in the situation where some animal is on top of me and I need to pull my gun and shoot into the animals vitals, I can say with some confidence that any gun you have on you is going to be hard to get to, and hard and not ideal to shoot. Whether you're carrying in a belt holster or chest holster, trying to keep this animal from tearing your face off will likely require two hands, but what if you're draw arm is pinned or badly injured and you're using your non-dominant hand as a shield to keep this animal from getting at your neck, you certainly can't cross draw, for obvious reasons. Let's say you are able to draw your firearm, well, shooting anything with your barrel pressed into it is a recipe for a blown up gun. Any gun in that situation is not going to help a great deal and playing dead is most likely the far better option.
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You never play dead with a black bear. They start to feed as soon as their prey is dead or dying.

Trust me, contact shots with a glock won't end with a blown up gun, but a revolver against your body could bind and seize the action and you have potentially dangerous gas coming out of the cylinder gap.
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With all this talk about engaging attacking animals with multiple, fast, and effective shots, I wouldn't consider a handgun as my primary woods gun if I was venturing there. I'd rather be carrying something like my Marlin 1894 .44 Mag levergun, with 10 rds in the magazine and one in the chamber. The handgun would just be a backup...
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10mm it is then!

Keep in mind that a GP100's trigger pull lightens up with break in and in use the trigger is reset by the time the muzzle flip is contended with.

While the 10 mm sounds like a solid choice for your use, I personally would never consider a Glock. I find their safety system lacking for my use. I know for a fact that if I were surprised/attacked in the woods, I would certainly be shaking and certainly be shaking enough to negligently discharge a trigger that light. Just me, I suppose. My preference is for a DA/SA action such as a Sig.
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Good question and one I've tackled for the same reason. We have black bears, right in the neighborhood, as well as wolves, coyotes and more. It's more of a concern for protecting our dogs who accompany us on our walks and bicycle outing on the trails. That scenario with predators circling the dogs may mean the need for a shot at longer than the usual up close attack, so accuracy is important.

The GP or even the SP has a lot going for it, but my biggest concern is accuracy when shooting in DA mode and not much sense in carrying a DA revolver if you can't hit anything in DA mode. That does take practice and I do practice it quite a bit. Still, my accuracy is significantly better with semi-auto compared to DA in the revolver, especially for follow up shots.

I'm a 1911 shooter, big time, so I'll probably be using that platform for the 10mm or perhaps the Sig P220. Capacity isn't much of a concern for me, but even with the 1911, I get a few more rounds and, of course, quick reloads favor the semi-auto. Have actually spent time shooting a 1911 in 10mm, so I know it will work for me. Not a new venture.

At this point, I am leaning toward replacing the SP 357 with the 10mm, but probably not in the Glock, though the G20 is quite popular, up here, as a woods carry gun. Nothing against the Glock, just more familiar with other semi-auto platforms.


If you are worried about accuracy the the GP100 is the gun to go to, a change of main spring and trigger reset spring can get you a DA trigger pull of about 7lbs. I have the gp100mc and I did a trigger job on it including polishing the surfaces and my SA\DA trigger pulls are 2.25/6.5 respectively. With the 4+ in barrel I have amazing accuracy easily out to 100yds.


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I would love to get a revolver for the woods gun, but I tried out the Gp100 today, pulling the trigger in double action, and found it would be too heavy if I tried to get off multiple shots quickly, that trigger is just too long and too heavy to even fathom getting off shots quickly. The Glock trigger is much lighter, and I plan to outfit the Glock 20 with either aftermarket sights or some sort of red dot/reflex sight.
I think the G20 is a fine choice but I recently bought a S&W big bore revolver and IMO the trigger is way better than any of my Redhawks or GP100. Not even close. It pains me to say that because I'm a Ruger guy but if your primary reluctance to carry a DA revolver is the DA trigger you might want to look at some of S&W's offerings.

Since we've opened the discussion up to other possibilities and even though I still think the G20 is an excellent choice I'm a fan of big bore SA revolvers. IMO a medium to short barreled SBH in the caliber of your choice is about as good as it gets for woods self defense. I know a lot of folks that frequent bear country prefer SRH's but I just like SA revolvers better. I also shoot them a lot and I practice drawing and point shooting quickly.

I think it's important to remember that it's impossible to arm yourself perfectly for every possible scenario. A self defense gun by definition has to be multifaceted. It has to be powerful enough, portable enough, user friendly enough, reliable enough and have enough capacity. The problem is what is enough? Something powerful enough for every eventuality may be unshootable in a handgun. 5 or 6 appropriately powerful rounds is probably enough for a black bear but not nearly enough for a pack of canines. My point is that choosing a woods self defense handgun is an exercise in compromise. IMO pretty much every gun mentioned in this thread would be appropriate and all of them compromise one thing or another. YMMV.
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If you are worried about accuracy the the GP100 is the gun to go to, a change of main spring and trigger reset spring can get you a DA trigger pull of about 7lbs. I have the gp100mc and I did a trigger job on it including polishing the surfaces and my SA\DA trigger pulls are 2.25/6.5 respectively. With the 4+ in barrel I have amazing accuracy easily out to 100yds.


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Thanks for the tip. You're right about a good DA pull being very effective and I do have such guns.

However, I have shot the 10mm quite a bit in the 1911 platform (I'm a 1911 nut) enough to know beyond a doubt that I am more accurate for follow up shooting with a 10mm auto than with any 357 revolver in DA, even with an excellent DA trigger, and that's with both guns shooting heavy loads for their respective chamberings. This I have put to the test specifically for the purpose of determining what to carry. The results don't lie. There's also the matter of which platform a shooter is most comfortable with when choosing a gun like this. For me, it is the semi-auto because I also carry the semi-auto for my self-defense gun against two legged attackers. For me it just makes more sense to stay with the same platform for both types of carry, rather than going back and forth and switching gears.

As Bonk says, it going to be a compromise no matter which way we go and it really is a personal call as to what works for each of us.

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