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Old December 10th, 2016, 09:33 PM   #16
 
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I don't hunt anymore. I do miss it but due to a accident it's not going to happen. I do hit the range a bunch. But I haven't done that since this afternoon.
Wow funny you mention that you do not hunt any more due to a accident thats the very same thing that happened to me 6 years ago. I still like to go out and shoot but to me Utah's DWR does a lousy job managing their wild game especially deer. Its hard for me to remember when the deer hunting here was very good!!!



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The anti-hunting crowd falls victim to a lot of myths.

1. We're shooting Bambi-

2. We're destroying habitat.-

3. We're bloodthirsty goons with guns who are blasting away
at Butterflies, hummingbirds, and everything in sight.-

4. We're causing the endangerment of species.-


We'll just go with those four, for now. Anybody who buys a license

knows we are thinning a burgeoning herd of deer overpopulation.

A percentage of our license fees to the state goes to protect animal

habitat for future generations.

I, like many hunters, spend hundreds of hours in forest habitat creation,

conservation, and plant pollination, in order to provide ourselves and

future generations with rich, abundant wildlife. Contrary to what the

antis are led to believe, every time we pull the trigger, hit or miss,

hundreds of other species of animals get a place and the needed resources

to thrive.

Most hunters are responsible firearms owners, who only hunt what they

are licensed to, where and when we are supposed to hunt it. "Shooting up

everything in sight", would drive away the very trophies we are trying to

achieve.

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In spite of the cliche that NJ is an industrialized wasteland, most of NJ remains rural and suburban. This was (and remains) attractive to nearby city dwellers who have had enough of NY life and many of them moved here, bringing their bad attitudes and ridiculous world views with them.

There is one town that comes to mind where, 40 years ago, an outside developer (from NY) bought and developed tracts of rural farm land to build mini mansions on tax evading "farmettes" for the rich and socialist out of state immigrants. One thing they quickly put a stop to was all hunting, including deer, in the newly developed area.

There was a huge outcry from the indigenous Jerseyites who had been hunting the land for generations since time immemorial, but that did not matter to the new town council that was now comprised of these NY immigrants. Through non-discharge ordinances and other regulations, hunting of any type was essentially ended.

The remaining farmers in (and around) this particular town were forced, at great expense, to try non lethal methods to protect their crops from the ravenous deer population. Nothing worked and the farmers suffered losses in the tens of thousands of dollars each year.

As you may have guessed, the deer population grew unchecked. Consequently, three things happened. 1)The herd became diseased. 2)There were many many more deer vs car collisions and 3) the deer started invading the town. It was only when the last thing, #3, happened that the town decided there was a problem.

Apparently, they only came to care about the population when the deer started eating $10,000.00 lacy japanese maple trees in their gigantic yards along with other many thousands of dollars of landscaping.

Even with the costly damage to the farmers and in the residential areas, there was still stiff resistance to hunting. However, some farmer managed to sue to get bow hunting legalized. In the strict tradition of new england style bureaucracy, these hunts were closely managed, and they brought in outside hunters (professional hit men) to cull the deer population. So, basically, NJ FG&W had their very own exclusive hunting grounds for themselves and their cohorts who would get paid to take deer.

To help them cope with the killing of deer, the town council spent a lot of money having the EPA and DFG&W rationalize a solution for them so they could sleep trauma free at night. Only diseased animals of either sex or does in any condition of health could be taken.

There is a new movement in this town to once again completely outlaw all hunting, even on private property. As more farms get sold and turned into subdivided tracts of Mc Mansions for the rich and gluttonous, our old customs are being replaced with the new "enlightened" customs of the immigrants. Speaking of immigrants, they also bring with them thousands of illegal immigrants to maintain their ostentatious properties.
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Go online and take a look at the leadership positions in the anti-hunting groups. When I did I quickly became aware that these individuals are largely politically connected and wield considerable influence in legislation - federal, state, county.

Common identifiers: legislative assistant, former press secretary, member of governor's council, former county commissioner, law clerk - and the list goes on.

Simply put, these folks have an agenda and we, hunters, are the target.

I always try to be nice and pleasant but I remember every tiny statement or inflection observed while enduring various hearings and such. The future does not look bright for hunting and getting our young folks involved in one of man's most natural pursuits might save hunting or at least stall the end of hunting.
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I'm not what anyone would consider an avid hunter. I usually put a deer in the freezer every year and if I stumble across a turkey on our property during turkey season I'll take him too. That's about it. I have hunted duck, geese, & doves but even though I enjoy it I don't make much effort to go and do it. If someone else puts a bird hunt together I'll usually go if invited. Part of it for me is I absolutely insist on eating what I shoot. I do not kill for sport. Never have, never will. While I like dove I don't really care for duck or goose so I don't hunt them very much. I completely understand why certain pest animals have to be culled (prairie dogs, feral, hogs, crows, etc) but I don't care to do it myself and I have no quarrel with folks that happen to enjoy doing what is also a necessary task. If there were feral hogs near us I'm certain I'd be hunting them because I'd definitely eat the meat.

My wife has a big garden and when we have a meal made exclusively from game we've taken and veggies we've grown it's extremely fulfilling. There's something very primal about fending for yourself off the land. I know that used to be the norm in the U.S. but nowadays the majority of Americans have never had that experience. I think that unfamiliarity contributes to the anti-hunting ethos. They don't get it because they've never done it and they've been taught that hunters/shooters/guns are bad.

I have no problem with folks that don't care to hunt and/or don't quite get why I hunt. I will not tolerate someone that tries to limit my choice to hunt and or attempts to denigrate and chastise me because I do. That's not going to go well for them. I'm at a point in my life where I refuse to put up with liberal nonsense. I'm willing to live and let live unless they start it in which case they're going to get it with both barrels about why they're so full of ****.

A couple of facts about hunting and logging. There's more forested land currently in the U.S. than there was in 1900 and the deer population is larger than was in 1900. In both cases it's land and game management that has allowed the land to prosper and legal hunting is a huge part of that management plan. In addition the dollars provided to manage & protect wildlife through hunting and fishing licenses eclipses liberal wildlife fund donations by tens of millions of dollars. It's hunters and fishermen that deserve the credit for the funding and management of our overall healthy game herds. It's our dollars and our efforts that do more for wildlife than PETA ever will.
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Growing up much of our food came from hunting and fishing. Today I enjoy hunting but almost never shoot anything. Almost all the land I hunted as a young man has turned into sub-divisions and such. Now I hunt public land and it seems like there's 15 hunters per acre. At least I get in a good walk.

As far as anti-hunters go, screw 'em.
I am with you. I used to hunt religiously, shot my first deer at 14. Always enjoyed it, but most of the land I had permission to hunt on, which I also rode my 3 wheeler on is now subdivisions. ( Here I am telling my age since 3 wheelers haven't been made in 30 years.) So the only alternative is to join a hunting club, couple hundred dollars a year. So I pass, even though my father in law runs one. I just do not want to compete with other spirited hunters for the best spot.
Other down side is that I have less and less time to hunt, life can be hectic that way. However when I wrench on friends stuff, they gladly bring me deer meat, and in the winter months I usually cook a wonderful stew, when its cold outside. I have a few friends that are farmers, and kill deer on their private land, which normally eat their crops. But their is something about venison, potatoes, carrots, onions, and spices, along with some white bread. So I still enjoy the products of hunting, without having to actually go. I can live with that.

I do wish to try feral hog hunting, always have wanted too. Maybe I watched pigman too much.

But i have no issue with hunting, I was never a dog hunter as in running deer because I believe in the primitive version of still hunting. I like the challenge it affords, and skill it takes to be successful. However if responsible people want to dog hunt, so be it. I do not have respect for those who dog hunt, and let their dogs run all over others land unimpeded, and with out permission. I feel they should respectfully have permission before just doing it anyway.
But as far as hunting, I find it a skill, a trade, and a unique quality that should be passed down to the next generation so the tradition will not be forgotten. As far as the anti's they have to have something to gripe about, so hunting is just another opportunity to rain on someone elses parade, which they seem to enjoy.

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Growing up much of our food came from hunting and fishing. Today I enjoy hunting but almost never shoot anything. Almost all the land I hunted as a young man has turned into sub-divisions and such. Now I hunt public land and it seems like there's 15 hunters per acre. At least I get in a good walk.

As far as anti-hunters go, screw 'em.

Grew up pretty much the same way. Georgia DNR does a good job lots of game and fish.
And I share your sentiments as far as the anti-hunting crowd goes who really gives a crap what they think since they don't have a clue about they are talking about or how game/fish is managed and who pays for it. Hunt to eat the wonderful /healthy/delicious venison and to get out in Gods beautiful country. Hope to bag one more this season.
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please do shoot bambi.
when i lived in western ny, i hit deer twice. thousands of dollars in damage, lots of hassle getting the car fixed.
i didn't get hurt but i might have.
i consider deer hunters as doing a public service.
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No one needs to hunt, it's cruel to animals and should be outlawed.

Like everyone else, hunters can buy their meat at the grocery store, where no animals have been hurt or killed.
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No one needs to hunt, it's cruel to animals and should be outlawed.

Like everyone else, hunters can buy their meat at the grocery store, where no animals have been hurt or killed.
Uhhh... I hate to point out, but the meat in grocery stores like lets say ground beef, and ribeyes, are from cattle, which were killed to allow their meat to be processed, packaged and sold. Same with chicken, turkey, barbecue, bacon, ham, all livestock, that are killed to be consumed. Heck even plants for that matter are killed when removed from the ground, and being put into a salad, or baked potatos. Fish, shrimp, lobster are all killed to be eaten by consumers. So I see your point is irrational.

Most game animals are leaner, more pure and no added chemicals which make them way more healthy. If it wasn't for hunting, none of us would likely be here. Caveman didn't go to the local walmart and buy ground beef.

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There is "ONE" reason, that Man is at the top of the chain......God, put "US" here.
Everything is here for our benefit, and use.( Not abuse though!!!!!!!!)

But I do hate the fact, that some people do not have enough sense to realize this.

Heck, they are even some of those yahoos that think, we should not even milk cows.

Such thinking as that, will put the cereal industry out of business.

Not to mention....no more "Ice Cream".
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Uhhh... I hate to point out, but the meat in grocery stores like lets say ground beef, and ribeyes, are from cattle, which were killed to allow their meat to be processed, packaged and sold. Same with chicken, turkey, barbecue, bacon, ham, all livestock, that are killed to be consumed. Heck even plants for that matter are killed when removed from the ground, and being put into a salad, or baked potatos. Fish, shrimp, lobster are all killed to be eaten by consumers. So I see your point is irrational.

Most game animals are leaner, more pure and no added chemicals which make them way more healthy. If it wasn't for hunting, none of us would likely be here. Caveman didn't go to the local walmart and buy ground beef.
Actually, it took quite a while to make that post. I was trying to recall that moronic newspaper editorial in the same vein but kept getting interrupted cracking myself up while I was typing. If you can find it, post a pic of it, I can't yet.

In retrospect, some forums could interpret that post as trolling and I'd be on my way to banhammination; so take this as an apology.

To clarify: I've killed five does this year for a friend. All five were on shot kills except one (all done my new RA Compact in 7mm-08). I still need to kill two more for another friend that has had a twin premie baby in PCIU for a month or so.

And I ate one of the does hearts a couple days ago. Fried it up in my carbon steel fry pan with some olive oil, kosher salt and pepper. About 1 1/2 minute per side; very nice!
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Actually, it took quite a while to make that post. I was trying to recall that moronic newspaper editorial in the same vein but kept getting interrupted cracking myself up while I was typing. If you can find it, post a pic of it, I can't yet.

In retrospect, some forums could interpret that post as trolling and I'd be on my way to banhammination; so take this as an apology.

To clarify: I've killed five does this year for a friend. All five were on shot kills except one (all done my new RA Compact in 7mm-08). I still need to kill two more for another friend that has had a twin premie baby in PCIU for a month or so.

And I ate one of the does hearts a couple days ago. Fried it up in my carbon steel fry pan with some olive oil, kosher salt and pepper. About 1 1/2 minute per side; very nice!
My deepest apologies my friend, I gathered from your first post that you were one of of those vegan....what ever the **** that means supporters. I read it, and intially thought they are trying to stir up a hornest nest with these guys. Kinda like pulling up to a biker bar, and kicking over a motorcycle. But atleast now we know what your point was, and I apologize for misunderstanding your intention.
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Ain't that the truth.

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